Misdialed 911 call leads RCMP to home with 100 unsecured guns

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Don't judge someones lifestyle, you don't know how many of these old recluse type guys live in the rural areas. Some of them are functionally illiterate and don't socialize much.

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I like your approach to the age thing, MikePal, as a wise philosopher (Aristotle I believe) once put it,
“Old in years or old in character, the weakness lies not in time lived, but in living and choosing pursuits according to the emotion.”


I have to wonder if the old guy lives alone, and with no one else in the household to secure the guns against, he saw no point in disabling them. If there is no one around the household that requires you to exercises any precautions, he might have reasoned there was no need to have the guns disable. Another example might be all the guns are disabled with combination trigger locks all household member have firearm licences and all know the combination. The irony is where does reason end and nonsense begin.


An argument might be the guns are safe guarded against a thieve breaking in and stealing them. The trigger locks are there to inhibit immediate use of the firearm by unqualified user. A thieve who steals them will have plenty of time to figure out a way to get around the trigger lock.


You don’t stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

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Originally Posted by Gun Nut

I like your approach to the age thing, MikePal, as a wise philosopher (Aristotle I believe) once put it,
“Old in years or old in character, the weakness lies not in time lived, but in living and choosing pursuits according to the emotion.”


I have to wonder if the old guy lives alone, and with no one else in the household to secure the guns against, he saw no point in disabling them. If there is no one around the household that requires you to exercises any precautions, he might have reasoned there was no need to have the guns disable. Another example might be all the guns are disabled with combination trigger locks all household member have firearm licences and all know the combination. The irony is where does reason end and nonsense begin.


An argument might be the guns are safe guarded against a thieve breaking in and stealing them. The trigger locks are there to inhibit immediate use of the firearm by unqualified user. A thieve who steals them will have plenty of time to figure out a way to get around the trigger lock.


You don’t stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

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A keyed trigger lock can be removed in 10 sec with a knife or screw driver.

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Originally Posted by jim

A keyed trigger lock can be removed in 10 sec with a knife or screw driver.

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Yes, but it satisfies the regulations?

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Originally Posted by jim

A keyed trigger lock can be removed in 10 sec with a knife or screw driver.

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Trigger locks are only designed as a first level of security to prevent unauthorized use "in the heat of the moment" by emotionally upset individuals,children or irresponsible adults. The theory is that by the time someone finds the firearm,finds ammo and searches for tools to break the lock,their fit of pique or rage has subsided to the point where they've regained their composure. The second and best level of security is a locked closet,cabinet or safe which cannot be easily broken into. Out of sight,out of mind.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Don't judge someones lifestyle, you don't know how many of these old recluse type guys live in the rural areas. Some of them are functionally illiterate and don't socialize much.

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Originally Posted by Dakota Creek

My response was nothing to do with buying or registering firearms …… I don't care if you have one or one hundred ….. just common sense about storing!

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The article states the man was legally in possession of the guns, which would make one assume that he was properly licensed? One would therefore assume he had a RPAL? He was probably familiar with proper storage regulations and they may have been, but for a couple he was perhaps cleaning? We don't know from the story, what exactly the situation was in regards to storage? The attending officer could have been a stooge not familiar with proper storage? The door to the vault, room or whatever could have been open for the officer to see?

We will never hear the real story unless we attend the court case?

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Originally Posted by jim

A keyed trigger lock can be removed in 10 sec with a knife or screw driver.

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Gee , I guess the guy who forgot his trigger lock keys a couple of years ago at hunt camp should have known that. It took him quite awhile with a wide range of tools. Eventually he drilled it out. It was a Masterlock if anyone wants to know.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

Gee , I guess the guy who forgot his trigger lock keys a couple of years ago at hunt camp should have known that. It took him quite awhile with a wide range of tools. Eventually he drilled it out. It was a Masterlock if anyone wants to know.

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Drilling is about the only way with anything other then the simple type that comes with a gun you just bought.

Wonder how Jim did it with a knife?

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

Wonder how Jim did it with a knife?

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It's easily done with the ones you buy at most gun shops and CTC. these are made by Master Lock., over the years I have done a few at the club when the owners either forgot or misplaced their key.
Also there seems to be only 5 series of different keys, if you have one of each series of locks, you are set to open any of them with the keys you have.
When you have a lock off the gun, take it apart and remove the rubber pieces, you can soon figure it out by looking at the ratchet bar part and what makes it work hold , opposite the keyed end. hint [ it's the little springy ratchet bar]

He was home, he could have been cleaning, admiring or working on them? If he was not home and the firearms were not secured, then maybe but he was home.