Firearms as a deterrent

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Originally Posted by MikePal

I see Texas has taken measures to combat the rise in gun violence in the state........they are 'loosening' gun restrictions;



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https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/01/us/te...rnd/index.html

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Thank you MikePal, that is the article I had read and had in mind when I posted the theme for this threat: Firearms as a deterrent.


You don’t stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

I think part of the gun problem in the US vs Canada is in Canada I believe most people were taught that a firearm is a tool used for hunting or target shooting. Where in the US people are taught more so that it is a tool for protection.

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Originally Posted by Gun Nut

Thank you MikePal, that is the article I had read and had in mind when I posted the theme for this threat: Firearms as a deterrent.

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It'll be interesting to see if in a few years it has the desired effect. Texas is a good place to test the notion that:

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“An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.”

― Robert A. Heinlein, Beyond This Horizon

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Originally Posted by Sam Menard

When everyone is packing, then everyone is a potential bad guy. Gun fights over parking spaces !

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You must be a closet Liberal. Wendy Cukier said basically the same thing only she implied the more legal guns there are the more gun crime there will be. Of course facts don't back up her hypotheses. TC

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

I think part of the gun problem in the US vs Canada is in Canada I believe most people were taught that a firearm is a tool used for hunting or target shooting. Where in the US people are taught more so that it is a tool for protection.

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There is no gun problem in the US. There is a huge "people problem" that is much more complicated. If you look at the number of guns privately owned verses the number of "mass" shootings the percentage would probably be less than Canada's. Just a theory but I'm probably correct. TC

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

A “good guy” brandishing a gun during a shooting incident runs a very high risk of being shot by first responders. Bad guys and good guys all look the same to police when they first arrive. They don’t have the luxury of time taken to sort things out.

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No they don't in reality. The good guys are normally hiding behind counters with lots of people behind them. The bad guys may be hiding but they tend to be alone.

The good guys are trained to NOT wave the iron around, and only draw as a last option. Even the good guys with guns avoid the bad guy unless there is no other option.

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Originally Posted by dilly

I don’t think there are any or very many examples of active shooters being stopped by lawful gun owners even with so many mass shootings. It’s almost always a first responder or off duty first responder trained to respond to these incidents who kills the guy or causes the shooter to kill himself. More guns is just going to complicate the mess they are in IMO.

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Try a web search. News reports, security videos, POLICE reports...and the list goes on.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

I do believe that Texas is a concealed carry state...yet today's mass shooting took place there. The idea that some of the citizens may be armed didn't deter this nut.

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Hard to do much good when the person was driving down the street shooting at people and other vehicles. It does in fact show that Concealed carry training works, because none of them started shooting at the mail truck the guy stole.

Well I NOT living in the States, I do spend a lot( way too much) of my time among those "GUN CRAZY AMERICANS ". So a few points.

1)Toronto is the safest city in North America.
When compared to Chicago, Baltimore, LA, St. Louis, Detroit, etc.
Of course it is.

2) No matter how unrestricted a states gun laws are, every privately own places can prohibit guns or any weapon.
There are places were the maintenance guys have to register their screwdrivers, wrenches, hammers, etc with security.
God help them if one of their tools goes missing, or they bring a replacement to work without filling out the paperwork.

3) More people are killed or injured with knives, bat, rolling pins, chairs, etc every week then die in mass shootings per year.

4) The news never really talks about the HUNDREDS that are kill every month in the Cities listed at the start of this post. It is not covered outside the local news, because it is gang related, ethnic on ethnic crime, and it does not fit the narrative. They love to quote the numbers of deaths by guns from the statistics, but not admit it is gang or ethnic violence that makes up a large portion of the numbers.

If the statistics on the number of gun deaths from only the five cities above are removed, the US ranks as one of the Safest Countries in the world.