The carbon tax stickers......

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Originally Posted by kickingfrog

Again, simple business mathematics is too difficult to grasp… or you're so entranced in an ideology that you won't grasp it.

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You know, KickingFrog....when you start with the personal insults you lose your audience really quickly. This same sort of high-minded Liberal superiority complex is what sent Billary straight to the s**tcan a few years ago. Everything comes full circle bud.

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Originally Posted by Fox

It does not reduce anything, it simply moves the cost to the end user.

Trudeau removed the tax incentive to use public transit, that incentive was larger for a 12 month user of public transit than his crappy rebate on his carbon tax.

You cannot use less carbon when you have no other option. Public transit rates have gone up due to the tax. Home heating rates have gone up due to the tax. Municipal taxes have gone up due to the tax (think garbage collection and road maintenance). There is no possible way for the average person to do anything to offset the cost that is downgraded to them by this tax, buying a Prius does not cut it, hell, moving to the city and walking everywhere does not cut it, you will still be paying the tax on every single thing in your life.

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Unless a business found a way to use less carbon. Or a consumer found a business that is closer or more efficient and then has less carbon costs to pass on to the consumer.

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Originally Posted by kickingfrog

I always have time to listen to people who struggle to calculate the tip for a server giving advice on economics and taxes when it doesn't suit their agenda. At the end of the day it's good to laugh.

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Originally Posted by onelessarrow

Lmao, pretty sure you just compared a server giving advice on economics to a drama teacher politician giving advice on science. That's awesome! I'd take my chances with the server.

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Pretty sure I didn't. Read them again, but keep laughing.

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Originally Posted by 73hunter

You know, KickingFrog....when you start with the personal insults you lose your audience really quickly. This same sort of high-minded Liberal superiority complex is what sent Billary straight to the s**tcan a few years ago. Everything comes full circle bud.

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Personal insults? Arn't you the cutest. It's clear you're not my audience so I'll likely manage but if not I'll know who to talk to.

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

The biggest fraud perpetrated by a government in history !!

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No it is not, it is behind the Prov. Cons. saying the selling of the 407 to a Spanish company would be good for Ontarian s.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

No it is not, it is behind the Prov. Cons. saying the selling of the 407 to a Spanish company would be good for Ontarian s.

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Not really. One was foisted on the people of Ontario. Your liebrals are screwing the people of Canada ! Big difference !!

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

No it is not, it is behind the Prov. Cons. saying the selling of the 407 to a Spanish company would be good for Ontarian s.

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With all due respect,that wasn't a fraud. It was the worst business deal in provincial history,but,not a crime. PM Trudeau's carbon tax,in theory,was a stab in the dark. Business being business simply regarded the tax as just another governmental cost add-on. They simply passed it on to the consumer the same way they do with everything else. Net result...added cost of living with ZERO results to the intended purpose.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

With all due respect,that wasn't a fraud. It was the worst business deal in provincial history,but,not a crime. PM Trudeau's carbon tax,in theory,was a stab in the dark. Business being business simply regarded the tax as just another governmental cost add-on. They simply passed it on to the consumer the same way they do with everything else. Net result...added cost of living with ZERO results to the intended purpose.

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I wouldn't say it was the worst .... selling more of Hydro One is my worst.

I mean when you look at it, a company is running it and expanding it and making a good profit ... so far OK
40% is owned by CPP .... getting better...
SNC owns the remainder.... I think I like the first owner better... but an enterprise ran by the gov't will be driven to be a non profit ... and let's put it bluntly, that means taxpayers paying for it.... better people paying for it's use that actually use it... reminds me... did I pay that bill this month ...I digress... and it being properly managed instead of by the lowest common IQ's we see so often in gov't businesses with their bureaucracies
https://business.financialpost.com/i...or-snc-lavalin

Besides, on non essentials a gov't owned and controlled company is more a National Socialist/Socialist/Communist idea... I don't see them working to well and the US vs THEM comes into play by politicians too easily .. I mean just look at this guy ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8igrMJ9L4po

but we know his favourite gov't too so it isn't surprising ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZHUhfmlzXk

The carbon tax however ... saying it will have an effect is delusional .... OR they plan on increasing it so large and taking so much of working people's money they can't afford to travel... travel restrictions, lies, ethics violations, insults ... yep ... looking forward to PM "I can't honestly answer a question asked" Silly Socks getting his walking papers handed to him! Well saying that and expecting people to believe it .... lies again just like this on on budgets. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY3I2ewuxQ0 A $50,000,000,000+ lie on deficit spending.... but like Capone and Mao we see people support the Libs too...
“A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices” - George Orwell

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Originally Posted by kickingfrog

Unless a business found a way to use less carbon. Or a consumer found a business that is closer or more efficient and then has less carbon costs to pass on to the consumer.

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Where is the benefit to the business or the consumer? A business that is closer will not have the same charges as a business further away? How often does any business get all of their materials within 100km of their business? Business is global, materials are global, no businesses are going to be able to not use trucks.

Did you know that you pay carbon tax on solar and wind energy? You pay carbon tax on electric cars, you also pay carbon tax on bicycles, there is no escaping it.

If you think otherwise you are living in the dark.

Sourcing products closer means less carbon used. Less carbon used = less tax paid. Not claiming it's easy or a kick in the pants for some that can't/won't use less carbon but that's the point. There is a cost.