Muzzleloaders Banned?

I remember having a squirrel charge me like that couple years ago. What a rush :)

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Originally Posted by Snowwalker

You don't shoot elephants at 1000 yards. It's close work..real close.

https://youtu.be/z9tC1fVemRM

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I am fully aware of that, but the 460 Weatherby has enough energy to do the job that far out, that was my point.

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Originally Posted by Big Jack

Nothing wildcat about this stuff.

I suspect anything 458 will draw their ire.



My point is that the OIC and wording is really poorly thought out and written.

Ban is wide reaching based on the 20mm and joule limit.

460 Weatherby falls to the ban. That really is dangerous....... for moose.

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So your guns are not wildcats in any way? Do you have specs on their factory loading? I have never seen a smoke pole with specs as you are describing, mainly because smokeless guns are now custom, even Savage pulled them off the market. I think that would be defining wildcat.

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Originally Posted by Fox

Do you have specs on their factory loading?

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ML's don't come with 'specs' for loading, per se....they might have Manufacture recommended loads in regard to powder and bullet weights but the load variables are so open it's pretty much anything you feel comfortable with that works for you.

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Originally Posted by Fox

I am fully aware of that, but the 460 Weatherby has enough energy to do the job that far out, that was my point.

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If your using artillery sights...

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Originally Posted by Fox

So your guns are not wildcats in any way? Do you have specs on their factory loading? I have never seen a smoke pole with specs as you are describing, mainly because smokeless guns are now custom, even Savage pulled them off the market. I think that would be defining wildcat.

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No nothing wildcat about it.

As Mike pointed out, recommended loads.

There are a pile of manufacturers in the us that build these guns. They have to give you max loads.


They employ Heavy barrels made by Shilen, Brux, etc.

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Originally Posted by Big Jack

No nothing wildcat about it.

As Mike pointed out, recommended loads.

There are a pile of manufacturers in the us that build these guns. They have to give you max loads.


They employ Heavy barrels made by Shilen, Brux, etc.

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Ok, so how can you justify a gun having a muzzle energy of more than 10,000 joules from a muzzle loader? Can you load the barrel to the top with powder then compress it with the bullet, all smokeless? That would probably produce more than 10,000 Joules but also produce a pipe bomb.

There has to be a basis for the 10,000 joules.

I sure as heck would say that 250gr of triple 7 in a muzzle loader would be a wildcat

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Originally Posted by Snowwalker

If your using artillery sights...

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Same with a moose at 1000 yards.

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Originally Posted by Fox

There has to be a basis for the 10,000 joules.

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It was written that way to capture the BMG .50 cal type rifles....not muzzle stuffers.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

It was written that way to capture the BMG .50 cal type rifles....not muzzle stuffers.

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Bingo

But the problem is a 50 BMG is over 16000 joules with standard loads.

Poorly written OIC - why set limit at 10,000.