Pellet Guns and PAL

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

You can also hunt small game with a pellet / BB pistol. Grouse would be fine to light for a rabbit.

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I shoot rabbits all the time with pellet pistols, just have to be close, ha ha, my domestic rabbits are much larger than any snowshoe hare out there. I was planning on a pump 22 cal air pistol, some of them run up close to the max, 460fps, lots of energy for rabbits when I have used a .177 air pistol on them with less than 450fps of muzzle velocity.

Have you ever tested the pellet revolver and any of the pellet pistols through a chronograph? Curious what the speeds would be.
I use to use my pellet revolver to shoot rabbits when I was a teenager, but they are bare minimum, most time I used it to put down what ever I caught in my snares..

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Originally Posted by Fox

I shoot rabbits all the time with pellet pistols, just have to be close, ha ha, my domestic rabbits are much larger than any snowshoe hare out there. I was planning on a pump 22 cal air pistol, some of them run up close to the max, 460fps, lots of energy for rabbits when I have used a .177 air pistol on them with less than 450fps of muzzle velocity.

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Since we're on this topic, I wonder if someone might try and clarify this statement in the regs;

If you are in possession of a gun for the
purpose of hunting in Ontario, you are
required to carry proof of your firearms
accreditation under the Firearms Act
(Canada) - this includes apprentice hunters
(12-14 year old residents) who cannot yet
obtain a firearms licence. Every gun hunter
must carry one of the following: a valid
possession and acquisition licence, a valid
minor’s licence, or a stamped copy of a
Canadian Firearms Safety Course (CFSC)
student report as official documentation
showing successful completion of the CFSC
(for apprentice hunters who have not yet
obtained their minor’s licence). For nonresidents, this could also include a valid
non-resident firearms declaration form
confirmed by a Canadian customs officer,
or a valid temporary firearms borrowing
licence for non-residents issued under the
Firearms Act (Canada).

Does this statement apply to pellet guns under 500fps? I know that these are not considered to be 'firearms' but, they are in fact 'guns', are they not? Just trying to wrap my head around these new changes to the licensing system.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

You can also hunt small game with a pellet / BB pistol. Grouse would be fine to light for a rabbit.

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I have dropped jacks and larger skunks with my .177( 4.5mm) air rifle. I am using 10.6 grain pellets, going around 900 to 1000 Fps and do head shots..

So the right setup can do it.

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Originally Posted by NaturalPath

Since we're on this topic, I wonder if someone might try and clarify this statement in the regs;

If you are in possession of a gun for the
purpose of hunting in Ontario, you are
required to carry proof of your firearms
accreditation under the Firearms Act
(Canada) - this includes apprentice hunters
(12-14 year old residents) who cannot yet
obtain a firearms licence. Every gun hunter
must carry one of the following: a valid
possession and acquisition licence, a valid
minor’s licence, or a stamped copy of a
Canadian Firearms Safety Course (CFSC)
student report as official documentation
showing successful completion of the CFSC
(for apprentice hunters who have not yet
obtained their minor’s licence). For nonresidents, this could also include a valid
non-resident firearms declaration form
confirmed by a Canadian customs officer,
or a valid temporary firearms borrowing
licence for non-residents issued under the
Firearms Act (Canada).

Does this statement apply to pellet guns under 500fps? I know that these are not considered to be 'firearms' but, they are in fact 'guns', are they not? Just trying to wrap my head around these new changes to the licensing system.

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Under 500fps,this does not apply because it's not classified as firearm under the Criminal Code or the Firearms Act. However,if hunting with a pellet pistol,a hunting license is still required,therefore,all the provisions of the FWCA still apply.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

Under 500fps,this does not apply because it's not classified as firearm under the Criminal Code or the Firearms Act. However,if hunting with a pellet pistol,a hunting license is still required,therefore,all the provisions of the FWCA still apply.

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Yep, I get that, a hunting license is required for any method of hunting, including longbows, crossbows or even slingshots. My issue is with the use of the words 'firearms' and 'guns'. Why not just use firearms, which is a more legal and accepted term, rather than introducing a more vague term like guns? There are lots of guns that do not require a PAL to obtain or, apparently, to hunt with. I don't know why they're confusing the issue by using the term guns.

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Originally Posted by NaturalPath

My issue is with the use of the words 'firearms' and 'guns'. Why not just use firearms, which is a more legal and accepted term, rather than introducing a more vague term like guns? There are lots of guns that do not require a PAL to obtain or, apparently, to hunt with. I don't know why they're confusing the issue by using the term guns.

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Well they are "both" correct if used correctly "Firearm" is the Vague term, where as "Gun" defines a specific type of firearm.

For example:
A BB gun fires steel BBs and does not have a rifled barrel . That makes it a gun whether it looks like a rifle or a Pistol.

An Air Rifle or Air Pistol both have rifled barrels, and fire Pellets or slugs.

As far as the 490 FPS limit goes. I have never seen or heard of a BB "gun" that exceeds 490 Fps. But Air Rifles and Air Pistol are on both sides of the limit. Many models can have a 490 or less version and a version that is over 490.

Do you have a version of a model that is not over 490? Do you want it to be over 490? Simple. You can just switch your 490 or less spring for the over 490 spring.

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Originally Posted by NaturalPath

Yep, I get that, a hunting license is required for any method of hunting, including longbows, crossbows or even slingshots. My issue is with the use of the words 'firearms' and 'guns'. Why not just use firearms, which is a more legal and accepted term, rather than introducing a more vague term like guns? There are lots of guns that do not require a PAL to obtain or, apparently, to hunt with. I don't know why they're confusing the issue by using the term guns.

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The reason is, a “firearm” definition includes crossbows etc, under the FWCA. They use “gun” to differentiate between bows and “firearms” as defined by the CC and Firearms Act.

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

The reason is, a “firearm” definition includes crossbows etc, under the FWCA. They use “gun” to differentiate between bows and “firearms” as defined by the CC and Firearms Act.

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That's interesting Rick, I didn't know that. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Have you ever tested the pellet revolver and any of the pellet pistols through a chronograph? Curious what the speeds would be.
I use to use my pellet revolver to shoot rabbits when I was a teenager, but they are bare minimum, most time I used it to put down what ever I caught in my snares..

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Not yet, this one was a CO2 one and when you started to run empty it was not ideal that is for sure.

Crosman lists the new version of my pellet pistol at 435fps, with a .177 pellet. I want to get a .22 at 460fps or just below 500fps ideally for use on close in small game.