Bye Bye semi automatic rifles

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Originally Posted by johnjyb

Not trying to change the subject at all, honest, but this is 100% exactly the same problem the government caused when a few people thought they knew better then the majority and mandated lockdowns and forced vaccinations on the word of some "science experts" when said science was political and not medical.
This is another feel good-knee jerk reaction to try to solve a crime problem by directly affecting a law abiding part of society adversely and making no impact on the people causing the problem in the beginning.
How many law abiding hunters rent a gun and a few bullets from "Dave down at the corner" to go hunting for a few days??
If current regs are not solving the problem, how is making the crime more illegal going to solve the problem?
How about regulating maximum spoon sizes sold in Canada to fight obesity? They already have minimized food package sizing while raising the price, just the first baby step.
I'm going to work.
John

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Right on the money but preaching to the choir I’m afraid.

How do we get the message out to voters about this Liberal fraud ?? Tell people about it and join an advocacy group. All of us together.

First of all we need it taken off the government agenda program. That is the big problem.

Secondly we lowered gun deaths from the 90s to 2014 without taking guns away from law abiding citizens. Unfortunately it has only gone up since 2015 and this government. We are still below the 90s levels so what happened?

Rather than banning the guns we should be looking into what and why the levels dropped in the first place before our current government took charge. If we could get back on the downwards trend without the removal of legally owned and law abiding citizens firearms.

We say look at other places it dropped gun violence and death's yet we did and made the same progress before our current rise.

Can't find the other chart that goes back to the 90 before I head out but from 2009 you can clearly see a drop to 2014 and over double from 2013 and 2021 years.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ing-in-canada/

Get back to the 90s and it's a steady decline with a few years up but on a trend is downwards.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

I suspect compliance will be less then 50% possibly as low as 10%.

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The compliance rate will be much higher for restricted firearms as they are registered and the government knows who has them and where they are supposed to be located.

Compliance rates for non-restricted and unregistered is anybody's guess. Mine will be turned in because I don't want to be stuck with a rifle I can't use and risks a criminal charge if found in my possession.

I think you'll find that when they stopped carding the crime rate and gun violence went up... just my guess...

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Originally Posted by Bo D

I think you'll find that when they stopped carding the crime rate and gun violence went up... just my guess...

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Bingo! you got that right.

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Originally Posted by Bo D

I think you'll find that when they stopped carding the crime rate and gun violence went up... just my guess...

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Not really, back in the day when we carded an officer still had to have a good reason to stop and investigate a citizen and card them.

Career criminals, gang bangers included knew this was part of the game and played along and gave their details. The rookie officers

learned from mature officers who and when to card and under what circumstances. You have to remember this INFRINGEMENT OF FREEDOM

was recorded on a card with the officers details and suspects, opening the officer to self reported complaint as his details are recorded.

Then we lost all the senior guys within a very short period of time, especially in the GTA, as they were all hired when the two man car system came in to being in the mid seventies. So by the year 2000 give or take 5 years each way the bulk of the senior knowledgeable street wise cops were gone and we had a bunch of rookies almost immediately training themselves and other rookies after.

Also at this time seasoned officers who used to walk the projects (welfare housing) were retired and not replaced in those projects.

The result was that the gang bangers TOOK CONTROL of the projects and as there were no officers walking in there, very few who now knew them by SIGHT, the whole thing went to pot.

The now rookie untrained officers were CARDING non white/minorities by and large but were not differentiating between folks going about their lawful business and actual criminals.

Complaints soared, Black lives mattered, demonstrations, Politicians got involved and we are where we are.


BTW I have saved a few folks who were carded by me and subsequently were accused of a crime on the other end
of the City by officers who had got an identification wrong. I also managed to get a few folks locked up because they were carded by me and stated they were in places like L.A.

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Originally Posted by johnjyb

Not trying to change the subject at all, honest, but this is 100% exactly the same problem the government caused when a few people thought they knew better then the majority and mandated lockdowns and forced vaccinations on the word of some "science experts" when said science was political and not medical.
This is another feel good-knee jerk reaction to try to solve a crime problem by directly affecting a law abiding part of society adversely and making no impact on the people causing the problem in the beginning.
How many law abiding hunters rent a gun and a few bullets from "Dave down at the corner" to go hunting for a few days??
If current regs are not solving the problem, how is making the crime more illegal going to solve the problem?
How about regulating maximum spoon sizes sold in Canada to fight obesity? They already have minimized food package sizing while raising the price, just the first baby step.
I'm going to work.
John

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As you did manage to change the subject and wrote about the obesity problem, there was a very nice piece on last Sundays 60 minutes with two experienced obesity Doctors and researchers. Obesity is now found to be an INHERITED PROBLEM that is in your genetic DNA and no matter how much dieting , exercise, these suffers will undertake it will only have temporary results as is a BRAIN problem.

https://www.cbs.com/shows/video/whMd...u6xnSXPRJHEzB/

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Not really, back in the day when we carded an officer still had to have a good reason to stop and investigate a citizen and card them.

Career criminals, gang bangers included knew this was part of the game and played along and gave their details. The rookie officers

learned from mature officers who and when to card and under what circumstances. You have to remember this INFRINGEMENT OF FREEDOM

was recorded on a card with the officers details and suspects, opening the officer to self reported complaint as his details are recorded.

Then we lost all the senior guys within a very short period of time, especially in the GTA, as they were all hired when the two man car system came in to being in the mid seventies. So by the year 2000 give or take 5 years each way the bulk of the senior knowledgeable street wise cops were gone and we had a bunch of rookies almost immediately training themselves and other rookies after.

Also at this time seasoned officers who used to walk the projects (welfare housing) were retired and not replaced in those projects.

The result was that the gang bangers TOOK CONTROL of the projects and as there were no officers walking in there, very few who now knew them by SIGHT, the whole thing went to pot.

The now rookie untrained officers were CARDING non white/minorities by and large but were not differentiating between folks going about their lawful business and actual criminals.

Complaints soared, Black lives mattered, demonstrations, Politicians got involved and we are where we are.


BTW I have saved a few folks who were carded by me and subsequently were accused of a crime on the other end
of the City by officers who had got an identification wrong. I also managed to get a few folks locked up because they were carded by me and stated they were in places like L.A.

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An interesting perspective for sure. Effective old school police methods replaced by under-experienced cops and liberal thinking contributes to our current mess.

Will it ever improve ?

So here we are today with this bill that is about to pass, and billions of dollars that they are about to be spent implimenting this ludicrous proceedure of getting rid of law abiding guns that will do absolutely nothing towards stopping the crimes that are being committed. Tell me Gilly, just what is his mandate. Could it be like father, like son....

Twas nice to read this morning John Tories remarks on boosting the number of Police officers and budget in the GTA.... To me that's a step in the right direction...

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Originally Posted by 73hunter

An interesting perspective for sure. Effective old school police methods replaced by under-experienced cops and liberal thinking contributes to our current mess.

Will it ever improve ?

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A large bulk of the shootings in Toronto at least are gang/drug related and occur with frequency in the same type of projects. Toronto housing for instance have their own UNARMED SPECIAL CONSTABLES so they do not stick their necks out and have no political backing.

The Police service should invest in full time officers being in those projects and taking back full control.