Ottawa bound convoy

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Originally Posted by Terrible_E

Also, no as a former member of the armed forces I can NOT sympathize with occupying a domestic city to attempt to oust the democratically elected leader. In fact it's the exact opposite. I was mildly upset to learn that members of my former unit were not spooling up.

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The sad part is some of our formerly serving brothers and sisters are at the forefront of this rally.
It has been under the control of the far right and racists from day one.

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Originally Posted by Terrible_E

Also, no as a former member of the armed forces I can NOT sympathize with occupying a domestic city to attempt to oust the democratically elected leader. In fact it's the exact opposite. I was mildly upset to learn that members of my former unit were not spooling up.

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You mean you wouldn't save your fellow countryman from a tyrannical government? I'm under the impression that the Armed Forces answer to the queen as the Governor General does for this very purpose, am I wrong?

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Originally Posted by GloryHole

This might come as a big surprise to you guys but when a country's own government turns on it's own citizens and deliberately attacks it's own fundamental infrastructure and economics while imposing tyrannical mandates, censorship, and suppresses their fundamental rights with or without foreign or corporate influence it is being attacked from within. This is happening all over the world is it not?

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So if a foreign entity (covid virus) attacks our population and the government try’s to protect it’s citizens with the best tools at the time, it’s Tyranny??

And what would have happened if the government sat idle?

Damned if you do, damned if you don’t!

But I think “attack from within” is slightly dramatic.

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Originally Posted by Terrible_E

I would expect the entire crowd to shout insults at them until the police where forced to intvene or until they left of their own accord. I have seen this strategy work before. Not really difficult to get someone to leave when you have thousands of people yelling at you to do so.

A silly argument is where you imagine two bad solutions and try to make somone pick between them as if those were the only two solutions in the world.

Who's the source for this? Deepthroat?

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If you were there you would have the right and the freedom to yell as loudly as you wish. Maybe some people did yell at them or confront them -- do you have proof they didn't? They have the right to exist. If someone walked down the street with a cross and a sign that said homosexuality is a sin during a pride parade should they be immediately removed? What if they were caught in the distant background while Trudeau was taking a photo? Does that mean he de facto supports that person? What if someone drew a cartoon of Mohamed and stood alone at Yonge-Dundas square...should the police force them to move or risk a ticket/arrest (which actually happened).

Your argument fails at every single level of analysis.

In any case, people's refusal -- for whatever reason -- to not engage this person is not a reflection of the moral fibre of the crowd. It's like me saying you refusing to donate $500 to the heart and stroke foundation this morning is proof you want those with heart disease to die.

I think people are being especially cautious to avoid being labelled a domestic terrorist/"insurrectionist" as the most of the libs so desperately wants them to be...and the organizers (whom you criticize for being disorganized) have actually made it quite clear to avoid all forms of violence, hostility or provocation.

So again, this whole thing is a mountain out of a mole hill and a total non-issue specifically engineered to derail legitimate grievances and reasonable requests.

You're entitled to your opinion and free to consider what you would have done, or what you wish others would have done, but that doesn't lend any credibility to the notion that these people shouldn't be there doing what they're doing.

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Originally Posted by Terrible_E

Also, no as a former member of the armed forces I can NOT sympathize with occupying a domestic city to attempt to oust the democratically elected leader. In fact it's the exact opposite. I was mildly upset to learn that members of my former unit were not spooling up.

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So as a former member of the military, who signed up to defend a free Western nation, you cannot sympathize with a peaceful protest which is one of our core rights? They are asking for mandates to be dropped, which if Trudeau had any sense would actually engage with rather than run and hide.

You are confusing the cause with their ability to protest it because you disagree with the cause.

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Originally Posted by GloryHole

You mean you wouldn't save your fellow countryman from a tyrannical government? I'm under the impression that the Armed Forces answer to the queen as the Governor General does for this very purpose, am I wrong?

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Are you saying a serving or former serving member of the Canadian Forces should disregard their oath they made on their own choice just to confirm your personal views?

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Originally Posted by Woodsman

The sad part is some of our formerly serving brothers and sisters are at the forefront of this rally.
It has been under the control of the far right and racists from day one.

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Why is that sad? Many police officers also voiced support for this convoy. Is that also sad?
What's far right? Millions of Canadians of all ages, races, occupations and political affiliations in support of this are all far right?

This doesn't address any of the actual concerns of the convoy.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

I have to give praise to Chief of Police Peter Sloley.

I think he has done a stellar job with this demonstration, he is cool headed and was excellent in a interview this afternoon on the telly fielding dozens of question's from the public and reporters. He worked in Toronto and was in the running for the Chiefs job that went to Billy Blair.

You probably could not find a better man for this job at this time in Ottawa's history.

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Police has really handled it well so far.

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Originally Posted by GloryHole

You mean you wouldn't save your fellow countryman from a tyrannical government? I'm under the impression that the Armed Forces answer to the queen as the Governor General does for this very purpose, am I wrong?

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Technically yes the queen still has final say in military matters. And had she during her reign and my time of service called us up to storm the capital to oust the illegal government occupying then yes I would have driven up onto the front lawn like I owned the place.

I mean in the most simplistic terms of course. The road to getting to your very specific scenario though is so full of pitfalls and pot holes that I can say with 99.99999999% certainty that would never happen.

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Originally Posted by Bushwhacker

So as a former member of the military, who signed up to defend a free Western nation, you cannot sympathize with a peaceful protest which is one of our core rights? They are asking for mandates to be dropped, which if Trudeau had any sense would actually engage with rather than run and hide.

You are confusing the cause with their ability to protest it because you disagree with the cause.

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It's an illegal occupation (no permits)

It has not been peaceful, from assaulting ambulances to threatening to gang rape women to stealing from the Shepards of Good Hope.

I sympathize with any movement who wants to protests and demonstrate Ina legal and peaceful manner. We have had countless peaceful and legal protests there was no reason this one had to be any different. They chose this and are reaping the consequences.