Ottawa bound convoy

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Originally Posted by Terrible_E

Also, no as a former member of the armed forces I can NOT sympathize with occupying a domestic city to attempt to oust the democratically elected leader. In fact it's the exact opposite. I was mildly upset to learn that members of my former unit were not spooling up.

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Did you forget that those Canadian citizens exercising their right to protest?

I spoke to my best friend who is in forces for bit less then 20yrs as well. According to him, the generic consensus in his unit and other troops is - they will not move against citizens if the order is given... however should point out that they are class B so they can turn around and leave any time. Wouldn't know about reg force troops






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Originally Posted by Bushwhacker

If you were there you would have the right and the freedom to yell as loudly as you wish. Maybe some people did yell at them or confront them -- do you have proof they didn't? They have the right to exist. If someone walked down the street with a cross and a sign that said homosexuality is a sin during a pride parade should they be immediately removed? What if they were caught in the distant background while Trudeau was taking a photo? Does that mean he de facto supports that person? What if someone drew a cartoon of Mohamed and stood alone at Yonge-Dundas square...should the police force them to move or risk a ticket/arrest (which actually happened).

Your argument fails at every single level of analysis.

In any case, people's refusal -- for whatever reason -- to not engage this person is not a reflection of the moral fibre of the crowd. It's like me saying you refusing to donate $500 to the heart and stroke foundation this morning is proof you want those with heart disease to die.

I think people are being especially cautious to avoid being labelled a domestic terrorist/"insurrectionist" as the most of the libs so desperately wants them to be...and the organizers (whom you criticize for being disorganized) have actually made it quite clear to avoid all forms of violence, hostility or provocation.

So again, this whole thing is a mountain out of a mole hill and a total non-issue specifically engineered to derail legitimate grievances and reasonable requests.

You're entitled to your opinion and free to consider what you would have done, or what you wish others would have done, but that doesn't lend any credibility to the notion that these people shouldn't be there doing what they're doing.

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Ok so you just admitted you think Nazi's have a right to exist. Wow what an incredibly disgusting statement. I am not going g to engage with Nazi sympathizer any longer.

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Originally Posted by newbiehunter

Did you forget that those Canadian citizens exercising their right to protest?

I spoke to my best friend who is in forces for bit less then 20yrs as well. According to him, the generic consensus in his unit and other troops is - they will not move against citizens if the order is given... however should point out that they are class B so they can turn around and leave any time. Wouldn't know about reg force troops






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Peaceful protest. The right is to peaceful protest. This has not been that. It has not been well organized or well thought out. I support legal protests that are non violent.

Instead of protesting and losing money..why dont they just get vaccinated and make money..i must say tho..trudeau did a good job at hiding...my opinion but i doubt he has a covid..just saying

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Originally Posted by Birdbuff

I think it could be argued that the mandates were scientific and were effective. Notice I said were. I think the use of the word “tyranny” is mainly emotionally driven. I don’t think any democratic government purposely tries to hold back its citizens. One must remember this was an unknown virus with unknown consequences. Perceived appropriate measures were taken with the available data. We shouldn’t forget how this all started, or how other countries without mandates or vaccinations fared. It’s also good to remember this was a global event, not just Canada specific. We need so stop playing victims of this situation and accept it as an anomaly. Then get back at it. I’m optimistic that certain wrongs will be righted.

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I agree that for maybe the first 2-3 months when things began, no one knew exactly what it was, how dangerous it was, etc. Would your arms fall off? Would your head explode? It was like a sudden panic from a sci-fi movie. Remember the toilet paper shortages haha. Once it became known to be just another type of corona virus like sars things should have relaxed. But they didn't...they clamped down harder.

As a reminder:

- The government dropped the ball big time with LTC homes
- They grossly inflated the covid deaths (died of vs. died 'with'). The average age of a covid death exceeded the average life expectancy age...
- They banned us from freely moving but never stopped international flights into Canada (even from places with high case #'s)
- They constantly flip flopped on the rules and measures
- They admitted you couldn't get it from surfaces
- They admitted cloth masks are useless
- They've downplayed the dangers of the jabs
- They admitted the jabs are not effective (even though we were once told 90%+ at stopping transmission)
- They lied about vaccinations getting us 'back to normal' and it went from something like 60% 1 dose to now wanting 100% at 2/3
- They lied about ICU capacity
- They lied about reopening and kept moving the targets
- Failed to issue corrections or apologies, and sneakily edited things hoping no one would notice
- Called for increased censorship of dissenting voices, implementing a soviet-style campaign against 'misinformation'
- The elites were all caught maskless, partying, dining, and travelling in defiance of their own orders, etc.
- Still haven't issued any public announcement about the importance of exercise, vitamins, socializing for mental health, etc.
- Threw their own citizens under the bus for daring to question or refuse experimental treatments
- Rode roughshod over our charter rights
- Created division through fear
- Caused massive unemployment, countless suicides , countless injuries

And so on. Sounds like a giant psy-op to me. A massive social engineering scandal designed to facilitate the largest transfer of wealth in history, and to usher in a new era of surveillance and control.

It's not an overstatement to refer to this as a form of tyranny. To engage in the relativism of "we'll it's not that bad, at least we're not living in Bangladesh!" is a complete avoidance and totally besides the point. It's true that things could always theoretically be worse, but that doesn't stop us from choosing and maintaining the good. We're now being handed back little crumbs of freedom that should have never been taken and we're supposed to be thankful?

After 2 years, knowing everything we now know and going through so much hell, there is absolutely no excuse for not lifting all mandates immediately.
Those who choose to continue living in fear of a virus with a 99.8% survival rate are free to wear 4 masks and a hazmat suit to go grocery shopping, that is their right. But it's high time to put the big boy pants on and move forward.

The hope of millions who support the convoy for various reasons is exactly that. They hope this wakes some people up and speeds along the reopening. And most importantly, that we don't let something like this ever happen again.

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Originally Posted by Birdbuff

So if a foreign entity (covid virus) attacks our population and the government try’s to protect it’s citizens with the best tools at the time, it’s Tyranny??

And what would have happened if the government sat idle?

Damned if you do, damned if you don’t!

But I think “attack from within” is slightly dramatic.

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You seem to be disillusioned that the virus is a foreign entity here when it is more likely to be a collaboration than not I.e. Winnipeg lab, Prime minister sueing the Speaker of the House to have records sealed, gain of function research funding. It's comical that you're telling me to turn off the media!!! Lmao My T.V. hasn't been on it 18 months, while you were tuned into Covid Pulse 24 I was following real science. I'm not posting here for my benefit or to be one that has to be right all the time. I already know what's going on, I'm already building my boat. To answer your question of "And what would have happened if the government sat idle?

Damned if you do, damned if you don’t!" I'll answer your question the same way you answered mine with more questions and provide you some food for thought. When has government ever sat idle and let a good crisis go to waste? Why was our emergency pandemic response abandoned in favour of communist China's? Where is the evidence of this pandemic other than what you've seen on T.V. and been told of by the government? Why have the definition of words like pandemic and vaccine been changed in the middle of it? Why would we only pursue an experimental remedy instead of all and proven remedies? Why would you want to hide the results of your clinical trials for 75 years? Where did the flu go? Why have the majority of countries followed in each others footsteps? Why was it such a good opportunity to reimagine the world's economy and have a great reset so early in a pandemic? Why have Trudeau and cabinet, the president of Argentina and his cabinet, French President Maccron, German Chancellor Angela Merkle just to mention a few all graduates of Klaus Schuab Davos school? What is event 201? Why is Bill Gates considered the world's top health authority? Why can't you connect the dots?

[QUOTE=Terrible_E;1189613]Ok so you just admitted you think Nazi's have a right to exist. Wow what an incredibly disgusting statement. I am not going g to engage with Nazi sympathizer any longer.

LOL everyone has a right to exist, and everyone has a right to freedom of speech, even those who say or do grotesque things. That's how freedom works...

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Originally Posted by Terrible_E

Peaceful protest. The right is to peaceful protest. This has not been that. It has not been well organized or well thought out. I support legal protests that are non violent.

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I'm only hearing that from you and the government sponsored programing, why does the police chief contradict that?

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Originally Posted by Terrible_E

Peaceful protest. The right is to peaceful protest. This has not been that. It has not been well organized or well thought out. I support legal protests that are non violent.

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Efficiently getting thousands into Ottawa peacefully seems pretty well organized to me. Thousands of citizens organizing on overpasses, in parking lots and on the sides of roadways seems pretty organized and peaceful. Bringing homemade food for the truckers and sending messages of hope.

I haven't seen any evidence of violence or anything to indicate this wasn't peaceful.

I fail to see the freedoms of choice under any liberal government...its been rammed down our throats for the minority to elect them. they tell people what they want to hear to garner keeping them in power!! Have a doobie...thats how fancy socks got there the first time