Ontario gunsmith shot and killed by police

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

Unfortunately, what you describe has now been made illegal by the Wynne government.

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The Ways and Means Act has always and will always be available for officers who have the parts to use it, you just have to be a better talker.

With a camera there are two actors on stage and a lot will come down to who is the better actor. LOL

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

The Ways and Means Act has always and will always be available for officers who have the parts to use it, you just have to be a better talker.

With a camera there are two actors on stage and a lot will come down to who is the better actor. LOL

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Not any more. Here’s what the police have to abide by now…

http://www.ontario.ca/page/street-checks

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

Not any more. Here’s what the police have to abide by now…

http://www.ontario.ca/page/street-checks

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OK Rick but I would still be using the ways and means act, its way more fun.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

OK Rick but I would still be using the ways and means act, its way more fun.

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I agree ! The old days were much more fun !!!

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

That idea is fine in a Utopian world which none of us live in. If officers have to operate in a pro active fashion, intercept crime before it might happen they have always needed a little wiggle room. If they cannot operate in that "grey area" lots of crime will happen.

An example, lets say I, am in a scout car and patrolling a middle class residential area in the middle of the day. I spot a guy wearing a backpack, he is dressed pretty shabbily and he is checking out homes pretty closely as he passes. So your experience say's this guy is out of place and his behavior is suspicious as he looks like he is casing the homes. So what have you got "legally" to stop this guy and ask him a few questions. NOT MUCH.

Without the camera a good street cop will pull this guy over and ask him a few questions about where he is headed and what he/she is doing in the area. With the camera probably easier for the cop to head over to Timmies grab a coffee and donut and wait a few hours until the call comes in for a residential break enter and theft and then pop over and take the report.

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Sure , stop me and ask me questions which I will "Legally" refuse to answer.

Down here you don't have to identify yourself to cops unless your stopped for a traffic violation or if you have committed a crime and you are arrested - letting cops get your identification at any other time takes away your freedom - it's like needing to show your papers to the police in Nazi Germany - I know that the cops don't like that but it's important that yours rights are not taken away - remember that cops do not have an obligation to keep you safe - a lot of people don't know that -

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

That idea is fine in a Utopian world which none of us live in. If officers have to operate in a pro active fashion, intercept crime before it might happen they have always needed a little wiggle room. If they cannot operate in that "grey area" lots of crime will happen.

An example, lets say I, am in a scout car and patrolling a middle class residential area in the middle of the day. I spot a guy wearing a backpack, he is dressed pretty shabbily and he is checking out homes pretty closely as he passes. So your experience say's this guy is out of place and his behavior is suspicious as he looks like he is casing the homes. So what have you got "legally" to stop this guy and ask him a few questions. NOT MUCH.

Without the camera a good street cop will pull this guy over and ask him a few questions about where he is headed and what he/she is doing in the area. With the camera probably easier for the cop to head over to Timmies grab a coffee and donut and wait a few hours until the call comes in for a residential break enter and theft and then pop over and take the report.

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try growing up in a better than average neighbourhood looking a little different lol ud appreciate the change alot more.
im glad kids now a days know their rights, we didnt when we were growing up ...

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Originally Posted by Ata83

try growing up in a better than average neighbourhood looking a little different lol ud appreciate the change alot more.
im glad kids now a days know their rights, we didnt when we were growing up ...

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We knew are rights back then. Cops had big hands

More than once in my younger years I was stopped by police investigating the appearance of suspicious activity. Didn't mind identifying myself then and wouldn't mind doing it again today. I don't get panicked at the sight of a police vehicle and don't regard a conversation with an officer as a high drama event. YMMV.

On you tube there are a lot of auditors filming cops - they exercise their freedoms and often times the cops go bananas - they are not use to guys standing up to them - as time goes on I see the cops starting to learn that they don't always have the last say - I can only guess what went on before people had cameras to film police - some changes the way cops deal with people are still needed - the internal review process of a citizen's complaint is a joke - also when a cop is sued the taxpayers shouldn't have to pay the bill - the cop should