The Big Lie - Diversity

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Originally Posted by 410001661

First of all there was no such thing as an Indian Confederacy when the 'white man' arrived. The French called them the Indian Confederacy and the English called them 5 Nations (Mohawk, Onondaga, Oneida, Cayuga, and Seneca)........it was not until 1772 when they accepted Tuscarora people in (also Iroquois speaking) and Six Nations was formed.

So are you telling me that before the white man arrived the indigenous people of North America were living in utopia? Maybe they had the perfect society.......no wars, no slavery, no killing, no starvation, and no hostility amongst themselves? If you even remotely believe any of that maybe it is you that do not know your history, or maybe you watch too much TV?.

Natives have been fighting against themselves since time began. In the area of Hamilton before colonization there were natives called the Neutrals (because they were neutral between the Iroquois and the Huron) that were all but obliterated by the Iroquois. They killed men women and children and mass graves so large that they still exist to this day as hills in the lower city. Natives took slaves as battle trophies, took wives of their fallen enemy, they fought with each other and killed, raped and looted entire villages. So when the white man arrived they were fought and lost that war. Yes, the natives helped the British win decisive battles in the Rebellion of 1812 and some were rewarded with land and fortune (Joseph Brant, Tecumseh to name a few), and treated the natives much better than the Americans did.

........so I would say that racism and segregation was alive and well long before colonization.

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Champlain estimated that the Huron confederacy numbered about 30,000 people, including towns as large as 5000 residents. When combined with an estimated 15,000 Petun people living just a few km to the west, this represents a Wendat population about as large as what exists in northern Simcoe County today.

These communities were all based on the growing of corn – huge quantities of corn in huge fields. Champlain reported seeing fields as large as 1000 acres and Gabriel Sagard, who wrote about Huronia 15 years later, said, “[The large fields were] the reason why going alone sometimes from one village to another I usually lost my way in these cornfields, more than in the prairies and forest.” The Wendat grew corn in quantities sufficient to produce food reserves for two or more years and also for trade with neighbouring non-farming Algonkian nations – trading for furs and materials such as copper from near Lake Superior. The Wendat did grow plants other than corn (primarily beans, squash, sunflower and tobacco) and their meals sometimes contained meat and fish, but their diet was dominated by corn.

https://tdaynard.com/2019/05/23/how-...-it-was-grown/

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Originally Posted by JBen

Ok Terry, so that raises a question. This being 2021, an era when we trying hard to eliminate, racism, sexism etc.
And eschew such values as we are all just humans, trying to co-exist in the planet.

How does any 1 group, legitimately claim their “rights” to a small parcel of the planet? Are we not all part of the same species? Because that would seem to be, one very big contradiction.

Just a thought.

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Unfortunately the survivor's of wars write the history that appeal's to them. The English did not write to much about their biological warfare and small pox blankets, they kept that one quiet.

Yes coming from an Irish/Scottish back ground I tend to support the underdog. I just wish some folk's in Canada from the same background would get off their high horses and remember their own history and how they initially survived in this cold and harsh land.

Its appropriate that Joe Pal is the poster as our aboriginal brothers help us resist several invasions by the Yanks.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

I refuse to conform, to the norm , of the majority.

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But you do conform to the Liberal Ideology...to the point you defend it when you know its' wrong and deflect criticism of it...you're the perfect example of a conformist. A true Kool Aid drinker. :)

Our first nations have become homegrown terrorists as defined by law in Canada.
We now as a liberal run country accept them as a terrorist entity and support them financially. This is what supported tax free living is all about in Canada
https://youtu.be/NMXpweIZcHc
https://youtu.be/c0G6UsuzalQ

All we have to do is check out the names of the prisoners in the detention centres to get an idea how diversified we are...it's like the UN in there :)

According to genesis god disrupted the babylonians by confusing the language of the worker's. Thus, humans were divided into linguistic groups unable to understand one another. As being gods plan we were devided for a reason and as we can all see now trying to bring everyone together and trying to make things work isn't working out so well. Go figure no worries though sunny days ahead justlied said so. Cheers

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

4100

I guess you just expressed it way better than me:


"So when the white man arrived they were fought and lost that war. Yes, the natives helped the British win decisive battles in the Rebellion of 1812 and some were rewarded with land and fortune (Joseph Brant, Tecumseh to name a few), and treated the natives much better than the Americans did."


LOL so John they rewarded the people who fought alongside them WITH A SMALL PORTION of their own land back. Enough said. That is like saying after the English stood by and saw millions of Irish starve, they were kind enough to allow the survivors to be tenant farmers on their own soil, they had been there since the times of the Celt's and Vikings. Thank you master.

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First of all they did not reward them after the fact......the promises of land and freedom was given to them 'as long as they remained an ally of the King and an
enemy of the Americans'. What is so hard to understand that conquered nations loose.......loose lives, loose land, and loose identity. That has been going on since war was fought with sticks and stones. So I still do not understand your point. Do you think that if the Indigenous people of NA won the war against the French, British and Americans they would have allow them to stay in any way shape or form........no they would all be slaughtered.

The Irish famine was not a war........it was a convenient for the British. No different than how we could watch Ethiopia go through a similar situation in 'modern' times. There is a political motivation for everything.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

All we have to do is check out the names of the prisoners in the detention centres to get an idea how diversified we are...it's like the UN in there :)

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We are working on that right now ,the over representation of visible minorities in jail, rolling back Conservative minimum mandatory sentences that caused more problems. Minister is on the telly right now.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Champlain estimated that the Huron confederacy numbered about 30,000 people, including towns as large as 5000 residents. When combined with an estimated 15,000 Petun people living just a few km to the west, this represents a Wendat population about as large as what exists in northern Simcoe County today.

These communities were all based on the growing of corn – huge quantities of corn in huge fields. Champlain reported seeing fields as large as 1000 acres and Gabriel Sagard, who wrote about Huronia 15 years later, said, “[The large fields were] the reason why going alone sometimes from one village to another I usually lost my way in these cornfields, more than in the prairies and forest.” The Wendat grew corn in quantities sufficient to produce food reserves for two or more years and also for trade with neighbouring non-farming Algonkian nations – trading for furs and materials such as copper from near Lake Superior. The Wendat did grow plants other than corn (primarily beans, squash, sunflower and tobacco) and their meals sometimes contained meat and fish, but their diet was dominated by corn.

https://tdaynard.com/2019/05/23/how-...-it-was-grown/

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I think what you are referring to was the mention of a Huron Confederacy but I am not sure. Again these are Champlain's words, but does not mean there was a cohesive "Indian Confederacy"......what he saw was a Tribe (Hurons) who were at constant war with the Iroquois so I can pretty much say there was no confederacy as that is a white man's term.

Just because you call it something does not mean it sticks (ex) IRA........they were not really an army, but rather an unorganized terrorist group. You can call them an army but it does not make them one.

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Originally Posted by 410001661

What is so hard to understand that conquered nations loose.......loose lives, loose land, and loose identity. That has been going on since war was fought with sticks and stones. So I still do not understand your point. Do you think that if the Indigenous people of Canada won the war against the French and British they would allow them to stay in any way shape or form........no they would all be slaughtered.

The Irish famine was not a war........no different than how we could watch Ethiopia go through a similar situation in 'modern' times. There is a political motivation for everything.

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Your views on war and winning Canada are extremely off base. The British Crown made LAND TREATIES with the aboriginal people's for some parts of Canada, they did not make treaties for other parts. It was not winner takes all. They were our allies.

So the disputes today are about land's not sold or subject to treaties.

The Irish famine was not a war it was a modern day genocide by definition .Your English ancestors stood by and watched millions of Irish starve to death and actually exported grains back to England during that time. This suited them fine as they could later move in and help themselves to what was left. In the same way the English cleared the Highlands to make way for sheep. Burning crofters out of their homes
all for profit. You need to read more history books preferably not authored by English writers. LOL