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Originally Posted by Species8472

While the roots of the residential school system go back more than 100 years the last of these schools did not close until 1996 a mere 25 years ago and there were still many operating in the 70s and 80s. So while our ancestors may have started the system, the Church/Government perpetuated the system until not that long ago - much less than 100 years. In fact i would hazard a guess that many on this forum where were alive and past the age of majority when some of this went down - I know I was.

I know many say "i had no part in it" and feel no need to make reparations or apologize. For the most i understand and agree but at some level the electorate is responsible for the actions of the sitting government. So for some of those years when i voted there was a government in place doing this. I was totally ignorant at the time about what was happening but as the saying goes ignorance is no excuse. So even though i really had nothing to do with it i still feel some responsibility for the harm done in my lifetime as a voting adult.

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I like your rational Species8472:
Finishing up university in the early 70's, I can’t recall being politically active, and I really couldn’t see that much sense in voting, especially when I had no political savvy. I’m not even sure that my interest in politics develop much before the mid 80's. As for my interest in indigenous affairs it only started after reading a series of volumes on early Canada which I came across at a flea market probably, a bit after 2000. As I recall the first volume I tackled was Canada after the American Revolution, my curiosity of that period possibly arose as a result of a George III medallion I recall we found in my grandfathers old tool chest. The volume covered the date 1763, the year of the Royal Proclamation which fundamentally return much of the unsettle portion of North America back to the indigenous peoples. It was a ploy by George III to wall in his colonists close to the Atlantic coast, where they could be controlled and apparently heavily taxed. It seem to work at least for a while up until they rebelled. That when I learn the truth of the War of 1812. It was really a war fought between the Americans and the indigenous people with the support of the British, fulfilling something of an obligation which appeared to have been established through the Royal Proclamation in 1763. .It wasn’t a Canadian - American war, Canada had as yet come into existence, and wouldn’t until 1867. .


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- Gun Nut

This is nothing more than a racial issue creating more divide. I'm glad the church refused to apologize unlike our pathetic PM. Only a couple days ago vandals destroyed a Ryerson statue committing criminal offenses doing so, but are featured on the news for all to see. Seems hate crimes are acceptable as long as you hate on whites.

How many whites died at the hand of whites during years of insane asylums. Dont hear anybody crying or apologizing for all those atrocities to innocent mental health patients. I guess white on white crime is acceptable and no need to apologize.

What? Is that white on white crime , because of their color? How ridiculous.

I find it quite telling that while the tearing down of the statue was clearly on camera,the suspects who committed the crime where NOT televised. Things that make one go "H-m-m-m-m....."

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

I find it quite telling that while the tearing down of the statue was clearly on camera,the suspects who committed the crime where NOT televised. Things that make one go "H-m-m-m-m....."

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Just the usual with the media, a policeman kills 1 black man scream for months, a policeman helps victims of crime or the 999 blacks killed in gang violence and black on black violence... silence. The destruction and vandalism against a historical leader good, protecting the criminals from prosecution better, just look how they protected Justlied on SNC, WE Charity, all those lies on Jody W.R., firearms etc. . The race based sh** the Libs are encouraging is just dividing Canada more and more and this will help them posture and it is time to quit having so many tiers of laws based on race alone, it is probably the only thing I could agree with Pierre Trudeau, the trouble now is his son! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8igrMJ9L4po

AND the bigger issue, the people that need help, clean water and allowed an opportunity!



P.S.
I look to a day when people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.
Martin Luther King, Jr.

More and more is being learned about the cultures that existed pre-European contact and the environmental, social and cultural impacts like the 1600's mini ice age, the warfare and slavery etc.
https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/12/eaav0280 and I mentioned in https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...=1#post1163082

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The race based sh** the Libs are encouraging is just dividing Canada more and more and this will help them posture and it is time to quit having so many tiers of laws based on race alone, it is probably the only thing I could agree with Pierre Trudeau, the trouble now is his son! !

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I agree..I was too young in the 60's to have an interest in politics and had no idea PET was on the right track with his concept for an equal and fair Canada...

The view taken by Trudeau, he of the “Just Society” and later the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, was that “equality” meant everyone should be governed by the same laws. Canada was no place for one set of rules for some people, and another set for others.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

I find it quite telling that while the tearing down of the statue was clearly on camera,the suspects who committed the crime where NOT televised. Things that make one go "H-m-m-m-m....."

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3-2-1 action!

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Originally Posted by MikePal

I agree..I was too young in the 60's to have an interest in politics and had no idea PET was on the right track with his concept for an equal and fair Canada...

The view taken by Trudeau, he of the “Just Society” and later the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, was that “equality” meant everyone should be governed by the same laws. Canada was no place for one set of rules for some people, and another set for others.

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You mean the same Prime Minister who just recently completed a trip aboard and should be following COVID-19 protocol after doing so, that is flying down to London, Ontario to take part , in a service for the Islamic family who was intentionally mowed down by a 20 year old terrorist driving a pick up truck. Obviously he has a different understanding of the word equality than what you mentioned:
"“equality” meant everyone should be governed by the same laws. Canada was no place for one set of rules for some people, and another set for others.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
Gun Nut

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Originally Posted by Species8472

While the roots of the residential school system go back more than 100 years the last of these schools did not close until 1996 a mere 25 years ago and there were still many operating in the 70s and 80s. So while our ancestors may have started the system, the Church/Government perpetuated the system until not that long ago - much less than 100 years. In fact i would hazard a guess that many on this forum where were alive and past the age of majority when some of this went down - I know I was.

I know many say "i had no part in it" and feel no need to make reparations or apologize. For the most i understand and agree but at some level the electorate is responsible for the actions of the sitting government. So for some of those years when i voted there was a government in place doing this. I was totally ignorant at the time about what was happening but as the saying goes ignorance is no excuse. So even though i really had nothing to do with it i still feel some responsibility for the harm done in my lifetime as a voting adult.

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My public school was the closest to a residential school in Northern Ontario. I attended grade school classes with residential school students. I don't feel any personal responsibility but when I think of my former classmates who were taken away from their families and forced to attend school taught in language they didn't understand that was hundreds of miles away there is a profound sense of sadness. We didn't understand at the time what they were going through.

Residential school survivors deserve everything they get from the Canadian government.

If someone took me away from my family and forced me to attend a school taught in Cree on the coast of Hudson Bay when I was five I'd tear down his statue in a heartbeat and if I couldn't I'd cheer on the people who did.

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Originally Posted by Species8472

While the roots of the residential school system go back more than 100 years the last of these schools did not close until 1996 a mere 25 years ago and there were still many operating in the 70s and 80s. So while our ancestors may have started the system, the Church/Government perpetuated the system until not that long ago - much less than 100 years. In fact i would hazard a guess that many on this forum where were alive and past the age of majority when some of this went down - I know I was.

I know many say "i had no part in it" and feel no need to make reparations or apologize. For the most i understand and agree but at some level the electorate is responsible for the actions of the sitting government. So for some of those years when i voted there was a government in place doing this. I was totally ignorant at the time about what was happening but as the saying goes ignorance is no excuse. So even though i really had nothing to do with it i still feel some responsibility for the harm done in my lifetime as a voting adult.

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I hear what you say, and everyone is free to feel the way they want.

However-making oneself feel guilty for something one had no control over is the goal of this modern hype-destroy the past, destroy people's self confidence ,make them feel guilty.
The more they feel guilty -the better !
Then they will feel obligated to listen and bow to every Tom ,Dick and Harry.

As voter-what responsibility one should have over the acts of the Government? Voting for a Party or Person is simply giving trust and perhaps authority. Nothing more.
Howerer - being in power is not a Stock Exchange affair-we all can have a share in it , and perhaps dictate outcome.
Only at election times...

No Government will ever listen or act on a single voice of concern.......never did,never will. Nowhere in the world.

And at the end-when one votes,are all the goals and acts are to be voted on?No.

What happens if one voted for the Opposing party in those days,voted for the ones they lost the election.Like 20-30 years ago?
That person still needs to feel guilty for the acts of the Government he/she did NOT vote for?


I believe in building this country.
Taking down the past ,abolishing all the normal things in life will lead us to a place we shall never be.