The Calf moose discussion

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Originally Posted by gbk

The BEST notion for a longest time.
Alas,that would mean that FN could not hunt either ,which means this will never happen, which means ...slowly but surely moose hunt in Ontario will only be for the really rich (fly in to some VERY remote area)......and for the rest of ALL of us, it will be a memory of those good old days.
Shooting calves-no,but othervise my gut tells me one thing-anyone who can go moose hunting,go and hunt,because this all will end rather soon.

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So your thought is that the FN hunters would go out and kill all of the moose that they do now as well as all the moose that the non-FN hunters kill?

The reason the moose hunt is going to end is because there will no longer be moose to hunt, and it is not the FN hunters fault.

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Originally Posted by Birdbuff

What do we lose by abandoning the calf hunt? Not much. But by continuing it we continue to slow the population growth. It’s a no brainer. Would it hurt anyone to shut it down for 3-5 years as a test?

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89,000 people applied to hunt moose. We are trying to maintain a system where 89,000 hunters get to hunt every fall.

of 60 North American jurisdictions (12 provinces/territory + 48 states) who else still runs a lottery big game hunt in an all inclusive manner? Our group system is outdated.

Kill the calf tag, issue the tags, and let a tag holder hunt with one other person.

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Originally Posted by Fox

So your thought is that the FN hunters would go out and kill all of the moose that they do now as well as all the moose that the non-FN hunters kill?

The reason the moose hunt is going to end is because there will no longer be moose to hunt, and it is not the FN hunters fault.

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Generally have no intention to reply to certain posts.....lets do exception : Read the post once more ,twice more,-then try to understand what was stated -then repost again.

ps- nowhere i said what You read into my post.

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Originally Posted by Fox

So your thought is that the FN hunters would go out and kill all of the moose that they do now as well as all the moose that the non-FN hunters kill?

The reason the moose hunt is going to end is because there will no longer be moose to hunt, and it is not the FN hunters fault.

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If this is how FN treat moose in this province, they are far from conservationists of the land. Sickening
https://www.baytoday.ca/local-news/m...-today-2120969

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

If this is how FN treat moose in this province, they are far from conservationists of the land. Sickening
https://www.baytoday.ca/local-news/m...-today-2120969

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Why are they wasting money in court with this, unfortunately it is likely going to get thrown out anyway. Wasn't there an incident a few years back where a hunter in a treestand was shot and killed by another FN hunter. He even confessed and it was still thrown out due to lack of evidence. But maybe it's harsher penalties because it involves wildlife.

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

If this is how FN treat moose in this province, they are far from conservationists of the land. Sickening
https://www.baytoday.ca/local-news/m...-today-2120969

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The wording of your post suggests that dragging a life moose down the highway (amongst other offences) is a normal indigenous practice. Insinuations such as this are offensive and divisive. When I was a Conservation Officer, I investigated 2 cases of snaring deer and moose as well a cruelty case ( moose shot at night and left alive for 3 hours while culprit looked around for a indigenous person to claim it). My partners charged another guy for deliberately running a moose down with a pickup truck. In each situation the violators were Caucasian! Crime, no matter how appalling, is not confined to any specific race.

Managing the FN moose harvest is actually quite simple. They can only harvest moose at a level not in line with management goals in areas with road access/atv access. Reduce road access = reduce FN harvest to levels in line with management goals.

Access is the only barrier that can be applied equally to all user groups.

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Originally Posted by outdoorlife

Managing the FN moose harvest is actually quite simple. They can only harvest moose at a level not in line with management goals in areas with road access/atv access. Reduce road access = reduce FN harvest to levels in line with management goals.

Access is the only barrier that can be applied equally to all user groups.

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There’s a common belief that indigenous hunting rights are responsible for the decline of fish and wildlife and that by making us all equal will somehow fix everything. Despite the fact that indigenous people have certain rights which allow them to hunt/fish without seasons or limits, more fish and game are taken by Licenced hunters and anglers. Since non-indigenous people make up the bulk of the population, we have the largest footprint and have the largest impact on most anything.

As far as restricting access goes, it wouldn’t fly as it would be viewed as a constraint on their rights. It would be akin to saying to you “yes you have the right to vote, but you just can’t use a road to get to the polling station”.

I struggled with understanding the differences between our cultures and that there are different rules for different people. Eventually, I was able to make peace with it all. Last fall I was able to shoot a deer and a moose and I caught a limit of nice walleye last week. I can’t ask for more than that!

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Originally Posted by gbk

The BEST notion for a longest time.
... my gut tells me one thing-anyone who can go moose hunting,go and hunt,because this all will end rather soon.

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Wise words spoken. If you are lucky enough to get a tag, take advantage of and go, as for one reason or another, moose hunting is definitely in decline in Ontario. Sorry to say but I believe the best of moose hunting in Ontario is behind us.

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Originally Posted by Sam Menard

There’s a common belief that indigenous hunting rights are responsible for the decline of fish and wildlife and that by making us all equal will somehow fix everything. Despite the fact that indigenous people have certain rights which allow them to hunt/fish without seasons or limits, more fish and game are taken by Licenced hunters and anglers. Since non-indigenous people make up the bulk of the population, we have the largest footprint and have the largest impact on most anything.

As far as restricting access goes, it wouldn’t fly as it would be viewed as a constraint on their rights. It would be akin to saying to you “yes you have the right to vote, but you just can’t use a road to get to the polling station”.

I struggled with understanding the differences between our cultures and that there are different rules for different people. Eventually, I was able to make peace with it all. Last fall I was able to shoot a deer and a moose and I caught a limit of nice walleye last week. I can’t ask for more than that!

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I agree somewhat to what your saying. But its easier to manage a population of moose figuring the % of successful licensed hunters. How do you manage a number when you don't know how many FN are hunting them and how many are they harvesting? The last time we hunted Geraldton area(15 years ago) the 8 of us went home without a moose but the 16yr old FN kid that pumped gas for us managed to shoot 6 of them up to that point of the season so far.