If You Have A Shotgun

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

I wonder where people ever got the idea that an "assault style" (I hate that BS term) shotgun or rifle is necessary for home defense when any ol' shotgun loaded with 0000 buck or even a lowly .22 will do the job? ;)

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I was thinking the same thing.

When Badenoch said he had some suitable for the purpose…..I was figuring so does anyone who owns any gun

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

I wonder where people ever got the idea that an "assault style" (I hate that BS term) shotgun or rifle is necessary for home defense when any ol' shotgun loaded with 0000 buck or even a lowly .22 will do the job? ;)

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#7 1/2 shot will be all that you would need across a room

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Originally Posted by Fox

#7 1/2 shot will be all that you would need across a room

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7 1/2 birdshot is nasty stuff at close range. The shot pattern is about the size of your fist,but,if the bad guy is wearing a jacket or heavy coat,it's not enough to penetrate and do dibilitating damage,especially,if he's high on dope. He can still come at you and do a lot of damage,even kill. The idea is to put the skell down permanently to end the threat. 000 or 000 buck shot is like getting hit with a dozen or so .38 cal bullets. At close range,typically from a bedroom door to a living room,he's done and dead men don't tell lies.

Could just blast his face full with an ABC extinguisher then clobber him while he's suffocating on the powder and not have to worry about firearm charges, or killing a family member. Up here, I'd say if you have armed criminals invading your home you should probably take a hard look at your business activities. You don't often hear of random victims.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

That presentation is very well done.......in America. Here,in Canada, storing any firearm unlocked and/or loaded is a crime. For some firearms,even storing ammo in close proximity can get us in real trouble. I notice he mentioned storing a double or single barrel broken open with shells in the barrel out of sight (closet shelf) was recommended. That's the kiss of death for kids because they're like magnets. No matter where you hide a gun,a kid(s) will find it. The presenter recommended locking them up,then,later in he video blew it out of the water with these comments. This illustrates,perfectly,the difference in the mindsets between Americans and Canadians. Thanks for posting,Joe.

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There are exceptions with non-restricted in rural areas below.

Aside from that, the general law says either attach a lock to the unloaded gun itself OR store it in a locked case/cabinet/room. The firearm itself can be unlocked and 'ready to go' in that case/cabinet/room. Ammo can still be handy, like in a butt sling, as long as it is stored separately. Also re transporting, as long as they are unloaded, they don't have to be locked. Technically there is a small grey area or grace period in between transferring and storing. It has to move from one category to the other.

From the official storage laws for non-restricted in Canada:

(2) Paragraph (1)(b) does not apply to any individual who stores a non-restricted firearm temporarily if the individual reasonably requires it for the control of predators or other animals in a place where it may be discharged in accordance with all applicable Acts of Parliament and of the legislature of a province, regulations made under such Acts, and municipal by-laws.

(3) Paragraphs (1)(b) and (c) do not apply to an individual who stores a non-restricted firearm in a location that is in a remote wilderness area that is not subject to any visible or otherwise reasonably ascertainable use incompatible with hunting.

So basically at your farm / cottage / rural property, where you can legally target shoot or hunt, and especially where animals or livestock are in danger, you can leave a loaded or at least unlocked non-restricted firearm at the ready.

From the MNRF:

You don’t need a permit to scare away, capture or kill most wild animals, if the animal is causing damage to your property.

You do need to follow certain rules.

Special rules apply to:

endangered/threatened species
moose
white-tailed deer
American elk
black bear (capturing)

Further: https://ofa.on.ca/resources/nuisance-wildlife/ (*These provisions apply to all property owners, not just farmers.*)

So the exceptions to storage laws + the ability to basically shoot what you deem as threatening pests = more relaxed non-restricted laws than many realize.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

7 1/2 birdshot is nasty stuff at close range. The shot pattern is about the size of your fist,but,if the bad guy is wearing a jacket or heavy coat,it's not enough to penetrate and do dibilitating damage,especially,if he's high on dope. He can still come at you and do a lot of damage,even kill. The idea is to put the skell down permanently to end the threat. 000 or 000 buck shot is like getting hit with a dozen or so .38 cal bullets. At close range,typically from a bedroom door to a living room,he's done and dead men don't tell lies.

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OO and OOO buck have a good chance of killing a family member in the other room.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaR1EVybUgc

Check out the meat target and the lack of penetration beyond the target.

If I was to have shotgun in house for breakin think I would dump out the shot on a couple
shoot the intruder with couple shot wads have the third for them to decide if they want to play roulette

12 Gauge Assault and Pepper - 3 Rounds Per Pack

"Spice up your self-defense ammo cache with this specially designed 12 Gauge round. It is loaded with rock salt and peppercorn to offer up a sizzling blast that is sure to be moving to say the least. Though not truly a less than lethal round, it is sure to be most untasteful to any perp or pest!"

For use in 12 gauge shotguns only.

2 3/4" shell

https://www.firequest.com/G12-054.html

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Originally Posted by js4fn

If I was to have shotgun in house for breakin think I would dump out the shot on a couple
shoot the intruder with couple shot wads have the third for them to decide if they want to play roulette

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If you are pointing a gun at someone, let alone pulling the trigger you better feel as if your life or your families life is in danger. There would be no point in shooting them with a wad, you would be dead if you actually felt as if your life was in danger.

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Originally Posted by Fox

If you are pointing a gun at someone, let alone pulling the trigger you better feel as if your life or your families life is in danger. There would be no point in shooting them with a wad, you would be dead if you actually felt as if your life was in danger.

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If someone boots your door in middle of the night what are you suppose to invite them in give them the tv remote your Favourite chair make them a coffee