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Well,that was a nice anti-American rant. Too bad you missed the target by a mile. Americans value freedom and liberty,full stop and are prepared to defend it in all forms at all costs.. That's a concept Canadians are sadly lacking in understanding except,of course,those Canadians who have fought and died to protect it,especially,of late in Asia. Again,you blame the firearm for crime which is a lot like blaming forks because you're fat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cameracutter
Well I guess this lad that just beat the charge got real lucky under their state law because gaige grosskreutz could have pulled the trigger first and used the old same self defense as justification.Quote:
Originally Posted by js4fn
What real freedom do they have brother? Half the country appears to hate the other half, they believe they need gun's to protect their homes, their families, their neighborhood's, heck you might get shot down their for borrowing an old black and white telly.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
No sadly the NRA, Gun manufacturers, the Republican party have all the Yanks scared out of their wits, they live in Gated communities, in other words they have effectively "locked themselves up" its pretty funny if it was not so sad a situation.
Folks that I know who fought and died for freedom, that was from Nazi tyranny, the type of government your favorite guy THE DONALD would like to impose on the whole of America. Well I got news for you, it isn't happening, because the so called FREEDOM you have spoken of is the freedom and power given to them by the various State Governments and their Constitution which has them bearing 300 million firearms split between both sides, so are you still feeling warm and fussy over all this so called freedom to annihilate, each other.
That SIR is the biggest pile of Horse e I have ever read on this forum. The history of your entire nation FROM BIRTH is steeped in blood and killings by firearms. All the way from the Indian Wars, The Civil War, Spanish/American War not to mention the crap you have started in the Middle East. Did you ever allow yourself to think WHY THERE WERE DEMONSTRATIONS, perhaps you missed the News. Sure years ago riots could be stopped by Force, like killing innocent students at Kent State University, but that stage coach left the station long time ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
No Joe thanks to your support of the NRA, Republicans and gun manufacturers, you have managed to create two armed camp's out of your population, most all of them with access to firearms, so what would be your next smart move?
Once again you need to READ some history books and waken up, your country has changed, WHO YOU THOUGHT would always be IN CHARGE are not and your not going to be able to put the genie back in the bottle, because the gun promoting NRA lost the bottle top.
BTW Joe I am pretty sure Americans were buying guns for so called self defense WAY BEFORE THE RIOTS LAST YEAR, pretty sure it started round about when the Constitution was drafted LOL Right to bear arms Joe, yes they were buying arms back then to defend themselves. Of course you were all later day terrorists and traitors to the British Government.
Boy.... the bigotry and cow plop are thick.... or ignorance and arrogance and delusion ... not sure which. You actually seem to enjoy the idea of murder, must be a die hard Liberal to like murder so much, by your distorted version of logic if someone causes a car accident deliberately they should ban cars, or knives etc. Reminds me of another delusional and bigot but we will start with assuming you aren't that *** and you actually have a tiny bit of care about human lives and have a tiny bit of real morals and not just lying and gloating about your prejudiced views.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cameracutter
There are an estimated well over 1,000,000 gang members across the US and we just saw over 50 handguns being smuggled into Canada from the US by a gang. While "Rifles – the category that includes many guns that are sometimes referred to as “assault weapons”– were involved in 4%. Shotguns were involved in 2%. "
Handguns account for most and "the reality is that gun homicides are overwhelmingly tied to gang violence. In fact, a staggering 80% of gun homicides are gang-related."
http://jpfo.org/articles-assd03/gun-...erspective.htm
"Cities such as Chicago, Detroit, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, Cleveland, and New Orleans all have very high per-capita murder rates. Individual police estimates usually find at least 65% and often more than 80% of all murders in those cities are gang-related."
So by your either uninformed or prejudiced lies the solution is bans then, isn't working in Canada, do you think it would work in the US.... seems in Philedalphia alone "In 2019, city police seized 95 homemade guns, or Privately Made Firearms, as the PPD describes them.
In 2020, that number rose to 250. At the current pace this year, there could be more than 500 in 2021."
Take away people's option to defend themselves, to hunt, to target shoot etc and just leave the criminals getting them from elsewhere or just making their own.... I guess that if you considered freedom and self defence bad you could justifiy your attitude, but it seems quite bigoted, disrespectful and either delusional or your brain is leftist ****censored*******
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/accidental-injury.htm
Unintentional falls kill more than guns.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db395.htm
Motor vehicle deaths are 11 out of 100,000 and accidental poisoning 20 out of 100,000 while if you don't count suicides by firearm it is single digits.
So the problem is with gangs, the larger population centres with concentrated areas of violence (seeming mostly in Democrat run cities) being a huge issue and you ignore "there are 11.4 million deer hunters in the U.S. This includes 4.63 million bowhunters. We are just talking deer here; this doesn’t include elk, bears, moose, sheep, turkeys, ducks, geese, other small game, etc.". The number of deer hunters is about 10X the number of gangs yet we see 80% of the murders gang related, I wonder where we would be at if we had the criminal related numbers, after all Rittenhouse shot a child rapist and a felon that was armed with a handgun so the only one that didn't have a criminal record, that obeyed the laws and came out to try and protect people and property from rioters was the one you seem to have an issue with.... sad.
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Originally Posted by trimmer21
Sounds like the same cow plop we get from Justlied and Billy Blair, attack the law abiding, the criminals get ignored... very sad
I'll just ignore G as usual, he has nothing to contribute but personal opinions often missing facts. His "demonstrations" were actually riots by BLM, ANTIFA and only called that by left based media that wouldn't show actually video and rants by bigot news casters like MSNBC and CNN and his "history" is just one sided opinion ignoring the whole reality like Riel, the Upper Canada rebellion etc etc in Canada itself . But just for you 'G', we know, we know Libs like you don't like free speech ,freedoms, rights.... it seems budgets, ethics and respect too but that's way off topic. Here is the Liberal leader that praises tyrants and likes mass murdering dictatorships...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZHUhfmlzXk
Types of weapons, fists etc. here, may as well include that,
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...y-weapon-used/
P.S.
I see G is still in delusion mode gloating that the lies and spending and corruption are in power, even though they got less votes than the Conservatives. How sad to see such a moral twisting required. Not worth a new post to respond
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I see G is just so for once actually right, it would be safer if more had AR-15s and other firearms so I just I have to answer.
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- According to the CDC, “self-defense can be an important crime deterrent.” Recent CDC reports acknowledge that studies directly assessing the effect of actual defensive uses of guns have found “consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.”
- Semi-automatic rifles (such as the AR-15) are commonly used as self-defense weapons in the homes of law-abiding citizens because they are easier to control than handguns, are more versatile than handguns, and offer the advantage of up to 30 rounds of protection. Even Vox has published stories defending the use of the AR-15.
- AR-15s have been used to save lives on many occasions, including:
- Oswego, Illinois (2018) — A man with an AR-15 intervened to stop a neighbor’s knife attack and cited the larger weapon’s “intimidation factor” as a reason why the attacker dropped the knife.
- Catawba County, North Carolina (2018) — A 17-year-old successfully fought off three armed attackers with his AR-15.
- Houston, Texas (2017) — A homeowner survived a drive-by shooting by defending himself with his AR-15.
- Broken Arrow, Oklahoma (2017) — A homeowner’s son killed three would-be burglars with an AR-15 (the man was later deemed to have acted in justifiable self-defense).
- Ferguson, Missouri (2014) — African-American men protected a white man’s store from rioters by standing outside armed with AR-15s.
- Texas (2013) — A 15-year-old boy used an AR-15 during a home invasion to save both his life and that of his 12-year-old sister.
- Rochester, New York (2013) — Home intruders fled after facing an AR-15.
8. Concealed carry permit holders are not the problem, but they may be part of the solution.
- Noted criminologist John Lott found that, as a group, concealed carry permit holders are some of the most law-abiding people in the United States. The rate at which they commit crimes generally and firearm crimes specifically is between one-sixth and one-tenth of that recorded for police officers, who are themselves committing crimes at a fraction of the rate of the general population.
- Between 2007 and 2015, murder rates dropped 16 percent and violent crime rates dropped 18 percent, even though the percentage of adults with concealed carry permits rose by 190 percent.
So based on evidence he got it partially right, some safety training in schools would be good, I wish we should have a day course for firearms safety here too, probably save way more lives than Justlied's OIC etc. and could be nice to include hiking, fishing, canoeing etc. too. We can see how well firearm ignorance works over and over and even in Alec Baldwin's case.
Well if your so keen on all this lets just arm all the kids here with AR 15, what a brilliant solution and have them go at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Oh yeh I forgot you guys tried that in the last two general elections and it cost you the election's and you couldn't even get a leader who had the stomach to back up his own promises. Well that's the bad new for you.
The good news is that our leader, the very Honorable Prime Minister of Canada JUSTIN TRUDEAU kept his promises on these guns and handily one the last election and even gained more seats. Thank goodness your avatar shows his beautiful smiling face I just don't know why Billy is not the picture with him and you have that stupid looking cowboy.
You got it all wrong, once every American over the age of 5, has an AR15 everything will be well in America. I mean arming everybody so far has worked out so well for Americans, they feel safe in their own homes, don't need to live in gated communities, they almost never kill each other accidently, heck I, am pretty sure they never have anybody accidently killing themselves with a gun, all those mass shootings are just made up nonsense by the left, they never happen in America.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cameracutter
So,how come -based on Your theory,the 2 deceased in this sad case were trying to harm badly the kid ,were trying to do that by other means?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cameracutter
Should we ban skateboards too ?
Please tell us-why those 3 men were in their rights : to attack ,and try badly to harm a fleeing man?
Curious to hear that theory too.
Where did I blame the firearms? Canadians don’t walk around downtown with guns. They are tools to be used in the pursuit of hunting, sport shooting and agriculture to name three. They may value freedom and liberty, but walking around with loaded rifles and handguns doesn’t make one free.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21