Russia

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Originally Posted by JoePa

Let me ask you guys a question - so Russia invades the Ukraine do we go to war over it - are you willing to go over there and fight and maybe die over it - I don't think so - I sure wouldn't - I would give the Ukraines weapons to fight for their own freedom but that's it - Putin as the leader of Russia is only doing what he thinks is good for Russia - something a good leader should do - who knows he might be a pretty nice guy when you get to know him - he can't be all bad - he likes to fish

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Putin is a manipulative little man who wants history to remember his name..no matter what the cost. He`s former KGB, and I would say well trained in espionage and propaganda. I wonder how the simple Russian citizen, or comrade feels about going to war to appease the mindset of this dictator. I think he is very dangerous.

Far from looking like a dictator wannabe...lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRBsJNdK1t0

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

No I think the evidence is that TRUMP IMMEDIATELY on meeting Putin bent over right away. Probably the Russians have dirt on Trump from his past dealings in that country. There was not a dictator that Trump did not take to and compliment, after all why not HE WANTED TO BE A DICTATOR.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-Xw0_2eMJg

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Trump and Harper both met with him, Harper said to get out of Ukraine to his face (may look for that video interview at lunch), while Justlied praises tyrants and admires dictatorships... I think all have seen Trudeau saying that enough, even though Libs deny it.

https://www.huffpost.com/archive/ca/...ator_b_6314494


While near the Ukraine, Russia has new "toys" in play
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/n...efence-screens

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Originally Posted by Sam Menard

Any deal will favour Russian interests e.g. more territory and Ukraine is denied into NATO. For the west just avoiding conflict will be considered a win.

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That approach didn’t work well for Neville Chamberlain

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Originally Posted by mosquito

Uh.... Cuba and Venezuela

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/n...of-global-tour

https://english.pravda.ru/news/world...uba_venezuela/
"According to publicly available air flight monitoring services, a Russian Tu-154M aircraft that most likely belongs to the FSB of Russia, was seen in Venezuela's and Cuba's airspace on January 9 and 10"


But they don't really need to but there are talk of bases in Cuba anyway...
https://english.pravda.ru/news/world...ian_submarine/
Russian nuclear submarine of the Borey project, which carries 16 Bulava ballistic missiles on board, unexpectedly appeared off the coast of the United States
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A submarine of this class is capable of destroying most of the territory of the United States of America in minutes.

Russian nuclear submarines will be able to constantly patrol the waters near the US coast in the event that Russia decides to build a naval base in Cuba or Venezuela, as representatives for the Russian Foreign Ministry earlier said




... or directing traffic.

Can: What vehicle is that?
Rus: t-80
Can: Please take the longer route to avoid traps and you may damage the bridges here and here. Sorry for the delay. Welcome to the Ukraine, will you be going farther?
Rus: Not this month, Спасибо, хорошего дня, увидимся в Оттаве в 2030 году.
https://translate.google.ca/?sl=ru&tl=en

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Mosquito - there is no comparison between the US presence in Europe and a few Russian aircraft in Cuba/Venezuela

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Originally Posted by 73hunter

Mosquito - there is no comparison between the US presence in Europe and a few Russian aircraft in Cuba/Venezuela

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Yes, one or two spy planes roaming around isn't much, Canada has them and the bombers quite often on the west coast * especially but other than the bay of pigs I haven't heard much about invading Cuba. The Ukraine on the other hand is likely at worst to be taken whole or more likely to the Dneiper river and the right Ukraine added to Crimea etc. The warships and talk of bases for nuclear subs in Cuba and Venezuela on the other hand is very reminiscent of the Cuban missile crisis.

It is in the Russian Pravda paper I linked above, along with reference to the sub.
https://english.pravda.ru/news/world...ian_submarine/



* Russian bombers along Canada's coast.
https://globalnews.ca/news/6489830/r...-canada-norad/

They started building their bombers again recently
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/n...tu-160m-bomber

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Originally Posted by grumpygeezer

Putin is a manipulative little man who wants history to remember his name..no matter what the cost. He`s former KGB, and I would say well trained in espionage and propaganda. I wonder how the simple Russian citizen, or comrade feels about going to war to appease the mindset of this dictator. I think he is very dangerous.

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You bet he's dangerous. KGB/NKVD agents are stone cold killers and Putin was General Officer in East Germany when the wall came down and communism started to implode. Putin re-invented himself and here he is today the Russian President. You don't pull that off by being Mr. Nice Guy or the village idiot.

why is everyone so upset at Russia? honest question.. and before you guys roll me please know I am NO fan of Russia... my family came to this country with two suitcases from an eastern-bloc country in the 80's to escape communism because of Russias foreign policy..so I have plenty of reasons to jump on the bandwagon against the Russians....

NATO and the US have been slowly encroaching closer and closer to Russian territory for decades.... the Russians have been saying enough is enough and now we are knocking on their doorstep looking to cozy up to Ukraine..... What would the USA do if Southern Ontario all of a sudden got friendly with Iran, North Korea, China, etc... your damn right theyd be amassing troops in Ohio and Michigan.... give your heads a shake... Obama tried this 6 years ago.. he was playing checkers and Putin chess and he ended up with Crimea...This is all avoidable but the US thrives off conflict and are pushing the Russians, how is that not crystal clear??

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Originally Posted by kokes

This is all avoidable but the US thrives off conflict and are pushing the Russians, how is that not crystal clear??

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Nothing gets a country out of a floundering economy that stimulating the great war machine...millions of Jobs tied to the defense industry.

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Originally Posted by kokes

why is everyone so upset at Russia? honest question.. and before you guys roll me please know I am NO fan of Russia... my family came to this country with two suitcases from an eastern-bloc country in the 80's to escape communism because of Russias foreign policy..so I have plenty of reasons to jump on the bandwagon against the Russians....

NATO and the US have been slowly encroaching closer and closer to Russian territory for decades.... the Russians have been saying enough is enough and now we are knocking on their doorstep looking to cozy up to Ukraine..... What would the USA do if Southern Ontario all of a sudden got friendly with Iran, North Korea, China, etc... your damn right theyd be amassing troops in Ohio and Michigan.... give your heads a shake... Obama tried this 6 years ago.. he was playing checkers and Putin chess and he ended up with Crimea...This is all avoidable but the US thrives off conflict and are pushing the Russians, how is that not crystal clear??

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Agreed

i see the Idiot has sent his minister to Ukraine this week with more of our money. I certainly like Canada participating in NATO but advocating for Ukraine’s membership is over the line - I hope our sons are never asked to go there.