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Originally Posted by Fox

How what makes the protest unlawful? It seems to me like all you need is for an elected official to say you are being unlawful for it to become unlawful.

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When you infringe on the peace and enjoyment of your fellow citizens lives it becomes unlawful. You have mob rule, the problem with mob rule is that the biggest mob generally wins. When you come to a large urban area you could be unpleasantly surprised about how quickly you could get surrounded and overwhelmed. Is very fortunate the Police were there to deal with this and keep the peace.

64. A riot is an unlawful assembly that has begun to disturb the peace tumultuously.

Tumultuous behavior making a loud, confused noise; uproarious.


Under the section, a justice, mayor or sheriff or a deputy who receives notice that 12 or more people are “unlawfully and riotously assembled together” can go to that place, approach as close as is safe and read what is colloquially known as “the Riot Act” in a loud voice:

“Her Majesty the Queen charges and commands all persons being assembled immediately to disperse and peaceably to depart to their habitation or to their lawful business on the pain of being guilty of an offence for which, on conviction they may be sentenced to life in prison.”

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

Here is the Criminal Code definition.

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/....html#h-116101

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So what you are saying is that essentially every protest in Canada is unlawful.

Remember the fear then the natives protested and started fires on the CN tracks? Yet they were not stomped on by police horses.

Please explain to me one protest in Canada that has ever occurred that someone could not claim that they "will disturb the peace tumultuously".

You site the law without explaining how any of this matters.

If you go downtown and your protest kits the Liberal narrative then you will not be considered unlawful, yet if you go against the current government they will consider you unlawful, EVEN BEFORE YOU GET THERE.

There are protests all over Canada all the time.

In Toronto you get what is called a PERMIT from City Hall outlining your intentions, location and so forth. A Captain for your protest speaks to the Police, generally a Sergeant, things are explained and you do your thing. Mostly the purpose is to get media attention and after a few hours everybody goes home.

None of these protests and there is generally one a day in Toronto disturbs the peace tumultuously.

The only violent protests I ever attended in 15 years of policing them was when premier Mike Harris was in power and his common sense resolution.

I think one person getting accidently knocked over by a police horse does not compare to one getting shot dead at Ipperwash.

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Originally Posted by Fox

So what you are saying is that essentially every protest in Canada is unlawful.

Remember the fear then the natives protested and started fires on the CN tracks? Yet they were not stomped on by police horses.

Please explain to me one protest in Canada that has ever occurred that someone could not claim that they "will disturb the peace tumultuously".

You site the law without explaining how any of this matters.

If you go downtown and your protest kits the Liberal narrative then you will not be considered unlawful, yet if you go against the current government they will consider you unlawful, EVEN BEFORE YOU GET THERE.

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It is a decision made by the law enforcement agencies responsible. Many protests, including some by the so-called "Freedom convoy" in other communities, were permitted. The person who was "stomped on" by the horse had for the previous two days been warned verbally and in writing to clear the area because they were in violation of the law. Anyone who was hurt when they ignored the repeated warnings has only themselves to blame.

Bushwhacker; "Ford flipped flopped and lied continually over the past year+. He failed to meet several of his proposed deadlines by arbitrarily extending them to the frustration of most Ontarians who were desperately hoping to get back to some semblance of normalcy. He's ruined 100's of businesses despite claiming to fight for the little guy.

He has an election coming up and the heat was turned up to 11 on every politician in the country.

The speeding up of restriction-scrapping (and the total 180 turn in rhetoric of covid suddenly not being as dangerous, being able to "disagree" with Trudeau, etc.) was 110% a result of the freedom convoy and the millions of Canadians (and millions around the world) who showed overwhelming support. We have never seen any movement of this scale in our history.

They are trying to save face and pretend it's their idea, just like many people who realized they were wrong about the vaccines, complying their way back into freedom or poo-pooing the convoy are now clamouring to virtue signal about Ukraine to feel important."





Well I believe Doug Ford will be reelected handily in Ontario in the upcoming election. You do not need to offer resistance to getting a jab or wearing a mask if its the right thing to do. Most of us did that, managed to contain the spread and saved lives. The minority who did not care to do that are just that a minority. With that in mind I am also confident Justin and the Liberals will continue to win elections and move Canada forward not backwards. We know where we are going which is a big advantage against an opposition that not only does not know where its going but cannot even get there.

In relation to the Ukraine and Russia, Canada and the rest of the free world will be doing democracy a big favor by gradually strangling the Russian economy leading to the demise of Putin.

I’m surprised at how often we tend to repeat ourselves on here. Seems like the same argument spread over multiple threads.

Yup….the end is near. I believe Quebec will look at dropping mask mandates by mid April.

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

Joining a political party. Lobbying your elected officials. Protesting lawfully.

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Joining the party - party must have a platform on multiple agles. Creating it and then waiting for 4 years for next election while sitting with no income - not very feasible

Lobbying officials - that was done with no success

Protest Lawful - this was a lawful protest otherwise police wouldn't let them into Ottawa to begin with...

The only "legal" approach to such situation that I see is recall legislation, but it does not exist now and MPs are not too keen consider it.






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The right to protest is just that.
An oppurtunity to say hey I'm not happy. Thats it.
Expectation that a protest should lead to an instant change or turnabout of policy is foolhardy at best.

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Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers

The right to protest is just that.
An oppurtunity to say hey I'm not happy. Thats it.
Expectation that a protest should lead to an instant change or turnabout of policy is foolhardy at best.

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Oh really?

What about the residential schools protests?
It fit the agenda so changes/apologies happened pretty quickly

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Originally Posted by newbiehunter

Oh really?

What about the residential schools protests?
It fit the agenda so changes/apologies happened pretty quickly

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I wonder how much a permit is to burn a church? I bet they're out on bail. When the government and the police are breaking the law I'd say all bets are off. This can be witnessed in the court system with charges dropped by charter breaches.