Chesapeake bay retrievers

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Originally Posted by bardern

you should google Paul MacKinnon at Atlantic Flyway Gundogs.

For years Paul has been one of Canada's top Chessie breeders and would be happy to answer any questions about the breed you might have. He is a great guy and wouldn't mind you dropping him a line.

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I was just going to type the same thing! Great suggestion.

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Originally Posted by terrym

Welcome aboard. As a new member you realize you are expected to hold a BBQ for the rest of us veteren members. :joker:
Seriously that is a great first post to say hello!

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Hahaha well I'd love to hold a BBQ but unfortunately I think the number of veteran members on here is a bit higher than my backyard can handle.

My Chessie is a total suck. She is even better with kids than my Golden. She is stubborn, when she sets her mind to something don't try and change it. She is also very loyal I have no doubt she would protect me to the end if it came to that. More energy than i ever expected. I wouldnt change her tho.

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Originally Posted by LongHunter

Hahaha well I'd love to hold a BBQ but unfortunately I think the number of veteran members on here is a bit higher than my backyard can handle.

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Think outside the box man, we can come in shifts.

Or you can get a portable BBQ and come over to everyone's house. :)

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Originally Posted by terrym

Think outside the box man, we can come in shifts.

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Originally Posted by Dythbringer

Or you can get a portable BBQ and come over to everyone's house. :)

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Ok how bout this, one of you guys volunteers your backyard, the other can grab the groceries (don't worry I'll give you a list of what to buy) and I'll organize the whole thing. Sound like a plan? :thumbup:

I'll even bring the BBQ

Some great comments and thoughts on many breeds, I train with a lab guy who has always had labs and they are great dogs. The gentleman that I train with has run his at the master level and is very knowledgeable in regards to training. Over the years I can say that I have never had the opportunity to train with any other Chessies and have found it to be an eye opener with the different dogs, good learning curve for myself and others as the dogs are all different. I strongly agree that the lines make a huge difference as I am running two Chessies now from different lines and one is not up to standards as the other is totally different, from energy to marking and so on. I am on my third and fourth Chessies now and for me they have been great, not for everyone as the guys that I train with would not own then. I have a pile of great memories and things some of my other dogs have done I will never forget as we all have, one post on here where the gentleman had his dog out of site and thought he had lost it was similar to one I had as it was January at a river close home and my female was on a wounded snow goose which was the only one we had ever seen here, swam 2-3 km in the ice water and got the bird as I was running down the side of the river way behind and she was not able to hear the whistle. In my eyes that was one tough dog.
For me they are the ticket, everyone has their preference and I do believe that the lines are huge.
Just my couple cents

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Originally Posted by krakadawn

Mattones
In many years with retrievers I've seen very few good chessies.I don't mean to say they won't retrieve but they're not capable of some of the extremes that labradors are capable of. I love the chessie's coat, I hate his temperment.

Where the chessie may have the edge in a coat, he certainly in many cases does not have the heart and drive of most of today's field bred labs. he often is not the team player that you may be looking for. Having said that if I lived down a secluded road I'd have one in a heart beat. I like their loyalty but I also know first hand several who were destroyed due to their agressiveness.

By the way I've personally seen and judged some of the great chessie's you will find in pedigress. FCH/AFC Chippewa Chief and Stoney's Cub come to mind. They and their handlers are now long gone. Chessies like these are too few and far between compared to our modern labrador.

I know you were looking for a pet/hunting dog but the lab just beats out the chessie in just about all departments in today's world and takes to amateur training so much better. They dominate the competitive world at about 99.9 to one. Current breeding in field trial dogs supports and promotes the type of dog you want.

Hope you find what you want.

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Labs can take more extremes?? Thats actually comical, Chessies were created for ice and big waves. If you want a 2x4 get a lab, you want a 4x4 get a chessie. If anyone decides on a lab dont get one off kijiji, youll get a useless dog, you get what you pay for. Just remember breeding trumps breed, there are gems and duds in both breeds. If you want something for those competitions get a lab, just dont turn your back on him or he'll be nose deep eating his own .

Must have had to dig deep to find this gem it was discussed in 2012.

Have to agree with that for sure.

Welcome Jarm. Interesting for your first post. Regardless what you think they were created for compared to what they are currently is a huge leap.
If you have a hard going competitive guy....good for you.....I like them too but I also know what's around and in the competitive world, they virtually don't exist.
And all kidding aside, it's no joke, they do not compare to today's hard driving well bred field Labradors.

You are quite correct though....breeding does trump breed.