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How did I imply that? All I was trying to do was show that guides are like hunters, we should have equal respect for each other? You are trying to put guides skills below hunters skills. You haven't seen me try and put hunters skills below guides skills have you? I think hunters and guides share the same passion and skills its just that guides like to share that, or atleast us anyway. I don't understand why you have to hate on all guides?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hardcoreducks
I can see I started a war with the guide services on this forum. Not my intention I guess I was a little fired up about some of the earlier comments. You guys work hard for your money and deserve to make a living like the rest of us. Iam a little jealous you get to make it doing what you love. I love the sport probably as much as you guys do and I like to see everyone to get their share of the experience if some people need to or choose to use a guide service then you guys are doing those people a great service. I would like to stop this back and fourth fight I didn't mean to insult anyone and I wish you guys all the best in the field.
Ps my previous comment was meant to be humorous and not a dig at anyone. I guess it didn't come off that way
Everything changes as soon as money becomes involved. It's now a business. I have no doubt that guides and outfitters are very skilled and work very hard otherwise they wouldn't be very successful and if your not successful then your clients aren't happy and if they aren't happy they won't come back and they won't spread the word and then you're out of business. I don't care what any of the guides say but for you guys it's no longer about hunting it's about making the client happy and putting money in the bank. It's no longer a passionate hobby it's now a job.
So anyone who guides is selling out to the man, Mr. Cobain?Quote:
Originally Posted by LondonDave
I really disagree with that statement. How in the world does an outfitter qualify for the description as a Stewart of the waterfowling world???. They're doing it to make $$$. They may have started as they too have a love of the game but many outfitters are not 'paying forward', they're simply in it as a business. And whether we should look up to them....well that's a different question. You'd better check the attributes of what generally a stewart is considered to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hardcoreducks
This is not a rant against any of the outfitters, they come in all shapes and sizes.....some good.....some need their a%^ kicked but that's society, just like any other group. I do agree though that when money enters into the scheme of things then there'll be some problems as some people have stated already.
You don't have to be an outfitter to be a serious and successful hunter. Good experience, hard work and learning to get along with your rural neighbours can go a long way and be prepared to put some gas in the truck.
So, can anyone recommend a GOOD guide service for the late goose season? I can't think of any.....
S.
I don't buy the excuse of using an outfitter to "test the waters" so to speak. That's rare anyways and there are plenty of other ways to see if hunting is your thing.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't see the point in paying an outfitter to take you out to spot, set up everything, plunk you down, call the birds in, then tell you when to shoot. At the end of the day, he's hunting, and you're just killing animals. You'd be farther ahead financially to go shoot some clay birds and buy a couple roasting chickens on the way home.
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Okay boys enough of the bashing. I agree with Stubble Bum there are some of us that are or were into guiding not for the money but for the love of the sport. When I started Waterfowl Outfitters in Aylmer the concept was to try and introduce as many peole as posssible to the sport of waterfowling. It was our mandate to keep the price low so that the average person could afford and come for a quality hunt. A lot of thought was put into our venture before we stated out. We were the first guiding business in Ontario to put together combination hunts; pheasants and waterfowl. A group of people could come for a weekend and have a quality experience. If I was in it for the money I could have charged two to three times what I was charging. In order to keep the price down a rate/head was negotiated with the farmer thus not having to fork out large sums of money to lease property. I for one am proud of what I achieved over the 12 years we were in business and feel no shame in saying that I owned a guiding business.
Woody Wodzinski
When there's an early spring, they are all good. When we are locked in with ice and snow, they will all struggle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinker