Okay sorry if it sounded harsh I didn't mean offense I am just tired of a thread that shows promise turn into a bring yer boots !t thread.
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The experts that follow this forum have reputations to uphold and businesses to run. They aren't going to come here and be forthcoming with their knowledge if every time they post they get harassed and have to put up with a bunch of BS from people that have never trained a gundog. This should be a place where we can pick their brains and try to learn something.
Yikes good luck getting yourself out of this one.
I am just saying what a lot of people are thinking. This place has gone in the crapper lately. Lets get back to talking about gundogs, gundog training and share some good information.
I am sorry I do not have the experience to even be considered an expert. Training gun dogs is different to me than most professionals I want a hunting partner not a slave animal to obey me blindly. I need one to understand me.
when picking a puppy, there is no hard fast rule, and as I've said the one that will bond with me, and shows interest in me. I can't tell you how to do that, just in 40 years, I've never been wrong, for me.
In an earlier post BW mentioned the concept of bonding. This is of interest to me as all the pedigree reading/research we do, this is one of the intangibles yet perhaps one of the most important traits we all would search for. Yes if one knows first hand both parents or additional family members one can make a judgement call. The reason why I mention this is because in field trials to be truly successful dog and handler must function as a team. Being a rebel doesn't cut it.
I think the discussion will be more profitable to pursue traits and how we might make our best guess.
Yes a lot of topics or threads end up in the crapper I would agree to that. The people i converse with through PM's are not the ones you have listed in your statement. These forum members also offer sound advice but i would never advertise that because others would get upset.
I posted the names I did because when I think about their posts through the years it is obvious they are very knowledgeable and we should all be interested in what they have to say. Some of them play or have played at the highest levels in their chosen games. Most people don't want to train to that level and there is nothing wrong with that but their knowledge can help us get to our goals quicker and easier. Arguing in circles with someone about gun introduction just makes us all look like dips--ts and it scares them off.