Moose population declining.

Sad to see there are many people who are racist or blaming the natives. You have your say just as I do. Nice to see non natives stick up for us though. Here on my reserve which is pretty small we pretty much wait to start hunting in late September early October once the weather starts to drop. Mind you it's not the whole reserve going. In total from the stories I hear, since everyone pretty much knows everyone there are about a total of 20-30 people out there hunting and about 10 or less get a moose. Mind you some of us are hunting together. I myself only made it to hunt for moose only two times this year but I'm mainly a deer hunter.

Not to mention we only hunt on RESERVE land. There aren't many deer hunters on my res as well. Most of us are respectful hunters such as myself but like anyone there are those who don't respect the animals or rules and go overboard. Though I haven't heard of anyone shooting 20-30 moose for just themselves, I have never heard anyone shoot that many period. Everyone I know goes out and gets 1 moose "if they can" to feed there family and friends. The ones out hunting for moose usually give up once the rut is over so by the end of October. I only go out and hunt for 1 or 2 deer which in my case is usually just one. That feeds myself and my family and I donate some to our food bank. This year has been a slow year though and I think it's due to the weather. Only know of 4 people who got a moose. I haven't got a deer yet this year but all I'm getting on camera is pics mainly at night. Only got a couple during the day.

Anyway my overall opinion that I wanted to say is... there are more non status hunters out there hunting, there are people out there native and non native who are greedy and break rules who are (poachers) if you want to put a word on it, I know only people on our reserve only hunt on reserve land. Not all natives are out there being greedy. Just like you non native people hearing or reading articles of people poaching and making "hunters" look bad, these natives who are out there being "greedy/poaching" are making us "native hunters" look bad. Don't judge all of us.

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Originally Posted by johnjf

Sad to see there are many people who are racist or blaming the natives. You have your say just as I do. Nice to see non natives stick up for us though. Here on my reserve which is pretty small we pretty much wait to start hunting in late September early October once the weather starts to drop. Mind you it's not the whole reserve going. In total from the stories I hear, since everyone pretty much knows everyone there are about a total of 20-30 people out there hunting and about 10 or less get a moose. Mind you some of us are hunting together. I myself only made it to hunt for moose only two times this year but I'm mainly a deer hunter.

Not to mention we only hunt on RESERVE land. There aren't many deer hunters on my res as well. Most of us are respectful hunters such as myself but like anyone there are those who don't respect the animals or rules and go overboard. Though I haven't heard of anyone shooting 20-30 moose for just themselves, I have never heard anyone shoot that many period. Everyone I know goes out and gets 1 moose "if they can" to feed there family and friends. The ones out hunting for moose usually give up once the rut is over so by the end of October. I only go out and hunt for 1 or 2 deer which in my case is usually just one. That feeds myself and my family and I donate some to our food bank. This year has been a slow year though and I think it's due to the weather. Only know of 4 people who got a moose. I haven't got a deer yet this year but all I'm getting on camera is pics mainly at night. Only got a couple during the day.

Anyway my overall opinion that I wanted to say is... there are more non status hunters out there hunting, there are people out there native and non native who are greedy and break rules who are (poachers) if you want to put a word on it, I know only people on our reserve only hunt on reserve land. Not all natives are out there being greedy. Just like you non native people hearing or reading articles of people poaching and making "hunters" look bad, these natives who are out there being "greedy/poaching" are making us "native hunters" look bad. Don't judge all of us.

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Good post......
Thanks for sharing your thoughts

Problem is too many are boozin and not producing...the moose are there for the taking!!

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Originally Posted by Longears

Problem is too many are boozin and not producing...the moose are there for the taking!!

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Maybe you can clarify your post....not sure what you are saying.
Thanks

I find alot of the moose hunters are drinking there booze rather then hunting for moose!!

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I find alot of the moose hunters are drinking there booze rather then hunting for moose!!

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Well if they aren't shooting moose they aren't hurting the population. Not sure where you were going with that comment either with regards to this subject.

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Originally Posted by johnjf

Sad to see there are many people who are racist or blaming the natives. You have your say just as I do. Nice to see non natives stick up for us though. Here on my reserve which is pretty small we pretty much wait to start hunting in late September early October once the weather starts to drop. Mind you it's not the whole reserve going. In total from the stories I hear, since everyone pretty much knows everyone there are about a total of 20-30 people out there hunting and about 10 or less get a moose. Mind you some of us are hunting together. I myself only made it to hunt for moose only two times this year but I'm mainly a deer hunter.

Not to mention we only hunt on RESERVE land. There aren't many deer hunters on my res as well. Most of us are respectful hunters such as myself but like anyone there are those who don't respect the animals or rules and go overboard. Though I haven't heard of anyone shooting 20-30 moose for just themselves, I have never heard anyone shoot that many period. Everyone I know goes out and gets 1 moose "if they can" to feed there family and friends. The ones out hunting for moose usually give up once the rut is over so by the end of October. I only go out and hunt for 1 or 2 deer which in my case is usually just one. That feeds myself and my family and I donate some to our food bank. This year has been a slow year though and I think it's due to the weather. Only know of 4 people who got a moose. I haven't got a deer yet this year but all I'm getting on camera is pics mainly at night. Only got a couple during the day.

Anyway my overall opinion that I wanted to say is... there are more non status hunters out there hunting, there are people out there native and non native who are greedy and break rules who are (poachers) if you want to put a word on it, I know only people on our reserve only hunt on reserve land. Not all natives are out there being greedy. Just like you non native people hearing or reading articles of people poaching and making "hunters" look bad, these natives who are out there being "greedy/poaching" are making us "native hunters" look bad. Don't judge all of us.

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Very well said, I wish people would spend some time and research the native issues and stop listening to bigoted propaganda...


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Originally Posted by johnjf

Sad to see there are many people who are racist or blaming the natives. You have your say just as I do. Nice to see non natives stick up for us though. Here on my reserve which is pretty small we pretty much wait to start hunting in late September early October once the weather starts to drop. Mind you it's not the whole reserve going. In total from the stories I hear, since everyone pretty much knows everyone there are about a total of 20-30 people out there hunting and about 10 or less get a moose. Mind you some of us are hunting together. I myself only made it to hunt for moose only two times this year but I'm mainly a deer hunter.

Not to mention we only hunt on RESERVE land. There aren't many deer hunters on my res as well. Most of us are respectful hunters such as myself but like anyone there are those who don't respect the animals or rules and go overboard. Though I haven't heard of anyone shooting 20-30 moose for just themselves, I have never heard anyone shoot that many period. Everyone I know goes out and gets 1 moose "if they can" to feed there family and friends. The ones out hunting for moose usually give up once the rut is over so by the end of October. I only go out and hunt for 1 or 2 deer which in my case is usually just one. That feeds myself and my family and I donate some to our food bank. This year has been a slow year though and I think it's due to the weather. Only know of 4 people who got a moose. I haven't got a deer yet this year but all I'm getting on camera is pics mainly at night. Only got a couple during the day.

Anyway my overall opinion that I wanted to say is... there are more non status hunters out there hunting, there are people out there native and non native who are greedy and break rules who are (poachers) if you want to put a word on it, I know only people on our reserve only hunt on reserve land. Not all natives are out there being greedy. Just like you non native people hearing or reading articles of people poaching and making "hunters" look bad, these natives who are out there being "greedy/poaching" are making us "native hunters" look bad. Don't judge all of us.

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Great post.

I have lived and/or worked on 30+ reserves over the last 25 years building water and sewage treatment plants. Sometimes for just a few days and and other times for 6-12 months. In the mid 90s there was one particular northern reserve (about 500 souls) that I lived on for 12 months and during that time to the best of my knowledge no moose were taken. Saw lots of geese and fish and the odd bear taken, but no moose.

I just finished a plant for a Gold Mine construction camp that is FN owned and operated. From June to the end of November I was there about 50% of the time and once again none of the guys I knew were taking moose. The odd deer (this was around Fort Frances), but even that seemed rare.

And for the record I am as WASP as they come. These are just my direct observations over the last 25 years.

I think the finger needs to be pointed back at the OMNR and it's absolute pisspoor "sustainable" management strategy for moose (or any other huntable animal in Ontario). How many years has a calf tag been issued for every licence purchased? How many years have they been issuing cow tags? Why are the moose populations declining? The OMNR sure as hell doesn't know, it's not like it's their job or anything. They're just going to blame it on global warming next, that seems like the easiest and trendiest cop out. Never mind that there is an increasing moose population in Utah where it's warmer than Ontario. The difference? They've been properly managing their herd since the 50's, and I'm sure they've got ticks there too so forget that argument.

The OMNR is royally screwing up. Who the hell cares if natives shoot moose, the population should still not be declining. That means the OMNR is not keeping the tag allocations at a sustainable level because they're a bunch of incompetent bean counters that only succeed at raising licence fees annually and ensure that their "Pool 1-2, everybody pays $50 to apply" scam keeps going.

Something IS wrong, it's the OMNR.

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Originally Posted by johnjf

Sad to see there are many people who are racist or blaming the natives. You have your say just as I do. Nice to see non natives stick up for us though. Here on my reserve which is pretty small we pretty much wait to start hunting in late September early October once the weather starts to drop. Mind you it's not the whole reserve going. In total from the stories I hear, since everyone pretty much knows everyone there are about a total of 20-30 people out there hunting and about 10 or less get a moose. Mind you some of us are hunting together. I myself only made it to hunt for moose only two times this year but I'm mainly a deer hunter.

Not to mention we only hunt on RESERVE land. There aren't many deer hunters on my res as well. Most of us are respectful hunters such as myself but like anyone there are those who don't respect the animals or rules and go overboard. Though I haven't heard of anyone shooting 20-30 moose for just themselves, I have never heard anyone shoot that many period. Everyone I know goes out and gets 1 moose "if they can" to feed there family and friends. The ones out hunting for moose usually give up once the rut is over so by the end of October. I only go out and hunt for 1 or 2 deer which in my case is usually just one. That feeds myself and my family and I donate some to our food bank. This year has been a slow year though and I think it's due to the weather. Only know of 4 people who got a moose. I haven't got a deer yet this year but all I'm getting on camera is pics mainly at night. Only got a couple during the day.

Anyway my overall opinion that I wanted to say is... there are more non status hunters out there hunting, there are people out there native and non native who are greedy and break rules who are (poachers) if you want to put a word on it, I know only people on our reserve only hunt on reserve land. Not all natives are out there being greedy. Just like you non native people hearing or reading articles of people poaching and making "hunters" look bad, these natives who are out there being "greedy/poaching" are making us "native hunters" look bad. Don't judge all of us.

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Thanks for the info.

here is a ?

If the MNR asked the native hunters to stop shooting cows & calf's would you comply?