Another State Allowing Open Carry

If you are thinking of home invasion protection, you are far better off with a 12 gauge and 00 buck shot.

People with little to no experience with pistols would be hard pressed to hit a 10X10 inch piece of paper stapled to a wall 20 feet away. Make it a moving target, and forget it.

On the street, you would be better off with a blade in most situations as these are typically close combat.

Anyone truly concerned about these scenarios should take some self defense training and learn what is effective and when. Pistols are never first choice, if you mentally can't comprehend that shooting someone is the last choice, then you are not mentally fit to carry a hand gun via open carry or carry and conceal.

I wish the would allow open carry for working and hunting in the bush.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

Random homes are not picked, they know who lives there ,and what they want. How they know what is in the house is the question, prior interaction would be # 1 on the list.:shades: Everyone I know uses a bank , not a bunch of shoeboxes filled with cash under the bed.:cool: ......But it might not be the grandparents ( who may know nothing), who are home, when they arrive, that the intruders are after, but the grandkids living in the basement who were not home ,when the bad guys showed up.

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A lot of home invasions I have heard of have been RANDOM. No prior involvement, contact in any way shape or form. Just gutless scumbags entering homes unlawfully , tying and beating up and occasionally killing people. Random or not, imo they still deserve the face full of buckshot.

OK, I should have said "Jane Finch TYPES". Any time you have a victim who is GARANTTEED to be defenceless, you are going to have a thug who will take advantage. When the victim can bite back its a different deal.
I feel lucky to have been born and raised back when we had " carrying permits" for handguns. This meant that our government trusted some of us ( after checking ) to be armed, open, concealed , didn't matter. Any drunk could buy a long gun, but you had to have a squeaky clean record to carry a handgun.
I say I was lucky because I enjoyed shooting, was able to do so frequently and could choose between a rifle or handgun for the job at hand. This meant that the three times our tent, cottage, vehicle was under siege I could show I was armed and the threat left. It also meant that I had a weapon handy when the porcupines started chewing on our camper, when we had a rabid ground hog on our front lawn and other critters (4 legged) destroying our home.
If you are able to shoot when and where you choose (plinking in the country), then it is no problem for most people to become good enough to hit a grapefruit at ten feet, basketball at twenty. This covers 95% of your needs for defence. With the proper gun it becomes ten and twenty yards.....for hunting needs. With more practice you can soon hit that basketball at fifty and one hundred yards using a 4-6" barrel.


I just get upset when the government says that people cannot be trusted to behave so we fence them in so they have no choice. They then decide that certain guns are evil and have no legitimate purpose so need to be prohibited.

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Originally Posted by Pat32rf

OK, I should have said "Jane Finch TYPES". Any time you have a victim who is GARANTTEED to be defenceless, you are going to have a thug who will take advantage. When the victim can bite back its a different deal.
I feel lucky to have been born and raised back when we had " carrying permits" for handguns. This meant that our government trusted some of us ( after checking ) to be armed, open, concealed , didn't matter. Any drunk could buy a long gun, but you had to have a squeaky clean record to carry a handgun.
I say I was lucky because I enjoyed shooting, was able to do so frequently and could choose between a rifle or handgun for the job at hand. This meant that the three times our tent, cottage, vehicle was under siege I could show I was armed and the threat left. It also meant that I had a weapon handy when the porcupines started chewing on our camper, when we had a rabid ground hog on our front lawn and other critters (4 legged) destroying our home.
If you are able to shoot when and where you choose (plinking in the country), then it is no problem for most people to become good enough to hit a grapefruit at ten feet, basketball at twenty. This covers 95% of your needs for defence. With the proper gun it becomes ten and twenty yards.....for hunting needs. With more practice you can soon hit that basketball at fifty and one hundred yards using a 4-6" barrel.


I just get upset when the government says that people cannot be trusted to behave so we fence them in so they have no choice. They then decide that certain guns are evil and have no legitimate purpose so need to be prohibited.

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Agree with you on all of this. Unfortunately we are preached to over and over that we should leave protection to the authorities and shouldn't protect ourselves. To that I say bullsh..t.

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Originally Posted by B Wilson

If you are thinking of home invasion protection, you are far better off with a 12 gauge and 00 buck shot.

People with little to no experience with pistols would be hard pressed to hit a 10X10 inch piece of paper stapled to a wall 20 feet away. Make it a moving target, and forget it.

On the street, you would be better off with a blade in most situations as these are typically close combat.

Anyone truly concerned about these scenarios should take some self defense training and learn what is effective and when. Pistols are never first choice, if you mentally can't comprehend that shooting someone is the last choice, then you are not mentally fit to carry a hand gun via open carry or carry and conceal.

I wish the would allow open carry for working and hunting in the bush.

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I like where you are going, in most cases a pump shotgun that racks is all that you need, no need for even ammo, everyone knows that sound. That being said, if you need something for home defense you are better off with bird shot, 00 Buck can go through a lot of stuff before it stops, that wall behind the bad guy may hold your kids and 00 Buck will go right through it. #7.5 shot within the length of a room will stop anyone as fast as buckshot or a slug. Lots of people in the states claim their AR15 is for protection, a FMJ 223 round can exit your house and go into your neighbours, not well contained.

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Originally Posted by Fox

I like where you are going, in most cases a pump shotgun that racks is all that you need, no need for even ammo, everyone knows that sound. That being said, if you need something for home defense you are better off with bird shot, 00 Buck can go through a lot of stuff before it stops, that wall behind the bad guy may hold your kids and 00 Buck will go right through it. #7.5 shot within the length of a room will stop anyone as fast as buckshot or a slug. Lots of people in the states claim their AR15 is for protection, a FMJ 223 round can exit your house and go into your neighbours, not well contained.

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Not 100% sure bird shot would complete the task. Lethal wound channels need to be created.

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Originally Posted by B Wilson

Not 100% sure bird shot would complete the task. Lethal wound channels need to be created.

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You hit someone at 15 feet with a 1 1/8oz load of #7.5 you essentially have a slug.

I have a reloading book with a heavily detailed section on home protection reloading. The larger the shot the better the chance of going through more. Even going to #4 lead vs # 7.5 would increase your range and again at across the room it would knock anyone trying to kill you or your family down, it would probably do more damage than 00 Buck if the 00 Buck shot opens up.

I am still going with the sound of the pump being enough.

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Originally Posted by Fox

You hit someone at 15 feet with a 1 1/8oz load of #7.5 you essentially have a slug.

I have a reloading book with a heavily detailed section on home protection reloading. The larger the shot the better the chance of going through more. Even going to #4 lead vs # 7.5 would increase your range and again at across the room it would knock anyone trying to kill you or your family down, it would probably do more damage than 00 Buck if the 00 Buck shot opens up.

I am still going with the sound of the pump being enough.

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My MD spent his internship in Belfast during "the troubles",so when he tells me that with #7 shot at 15 yds. ,no doctor is going to put the bad guy back together before he bleeds out,I'm going to believe him. Give me a good ol' 12ga. any day over anything restricted or prohibited. BANG,down,dead....pure and simple. After that it's "Yes,your honor, while he was coming at me he said he would kill all of us. That's when I fired." "No problem,son,you have a good day. Case dismissed."

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

My MD spent his internship in Belfast during "the troubles",so when he tells me that with #7 shot at 15 yds. ,no doctor is going to put the bad guy back together before he bleeds out,I'm going to believe him. Give me a good ol' 12ga. any day over anything restricted or prohibited. BANG,down,dead....pure and simple. After that it's "Yes,your honor, while he was coming at me he said he would kill all of us. That's when I fired." "No problem,son,you have a good day. Case dismissed."

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That is why you probably will never have to shoot it, hearing and seeing that pump 12ga makes people think of what it can do.

In Canada a restricted vs a non-restricted for home security leads to other issues, discharging a restricted not at a legal range draws other charges.

You know you would have to be in front of a judge but it is better to be judged by 12 than to be carried by 6.