Anyone from port hope

It is everyones right, that if you do like something to use every legal means to change them. If you get enough support from other voters , then things will change and that is how it should be, because then one upset nut ,cannot change the rules . I have no property in port hope and I hunt and like to shoot guns and bows, I was just trying to see it from the other side of the fence. If you do not like something get enough voters to agree and change them, it is called democracy and we live in a democratic country. If you find yourself breaking multiple laws maybe it is not the laws maybe it is you.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

It is everyones right, that if you do like something to use every legal means to change them. If you get enough support from other voters , then things will change and that is how it should be, because then one upset nut ,cannot change the rules . I have no property in port hope and I hunt and like to shoot guns and bows, I was just trying to see it from the other side of the fence. If you do not like something get enough voters to agree and change them, it is called democracy and we live in a democratic country. If you find yourself breaking multiple laws maybe it is not the laws maybe it is you.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

... instead of following the laws already on the books and in place. What is wrong with someone wanting others living around them to be law abiding? .

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So what's your position follow the laws as written already or change the laws to suit your own views? :confused:

Try to get enough people to agree with you to change laws you do not agree with and follow them as written till then.

Is this for Hope township?

The Port Hope firearms bylaw review will be on the agenda for the July 21 meeting at 6:30 p.m. Staff from the Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters will be there in support of law-abiding firearms owners throughout the municipality. We encourage you to do the same and/or contact town council at http://www.porthope.ca/council .

You can also request a copy of the draft bylaw by contacting the municipality.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

Try to get enough people to agree with you to change laws you do not agree with and follow them as written till then.

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Okay I get it move into a subdivision that's rural adjacent maybe because its cheaper than bully the local farmers into changing their life style to suit your needs. Kinda selfish I would think. Sure its democratic as the numbers go subdivision against a few large land owners...maybe the vote would be fairer based on footage owned.

Quite often by laws are changed against the wishes of the many to suit the views of the few.

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Try to get enough people to agree with you to change laws you do not agree with and follow them as written till then.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

There seems to be a persistent misconception on this board about the restrictive use of Firearm bylaws and the Township no hunting (noise) issue.

The Sunday “No Hunting’ restrictions date back to when townships Bylaws were drafted to abide by the Lords Day Act and secular Sunday Observance laws. Hunting as well as any activity that caused ‘noise’ on Sunday was prohibited.

For example see: http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/etobic...s/0833_233.pdf

The efforts in Ontario to remove the ‘Sunday Hunting’ restrictions have been successful in most townships because it’s easy to argue as most of the other restrictions (sunday shopping, truck traffic ect.) that were based in the ‘Sunday Observance’ by-laws have long since been rescinded or ignored.

I can’t recall ever seeing a redrafting of a township bylaw that has reintroduced a ‘noise’ restriction specific to Firearm discharge. Especially since in most Bylaws, Firearm definitions include bows, air rifles, etc, so ‘noise’ is not the issue.

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So what is the issue??

Copy of the proposed amendments available at https://porthope.civicweb.net/Portal...Org=Cal&Id=977 (see direct links below).

1.1.1 C. Martinell, Deputy Clerk regarding Discharge of Firearms By-law.
Recommend That a By-law be prepared for presentation to Council on July 21, 2015 to prohibit and regulate the Discharge of Firearms within the Municipality of Port Hope and to repeal By-law 1409 and By-law 2405-62.


1.1.1 Jul 7 15 C Martinell re Discharge of Firearms By-law.pdf

1.1.1 Jul 7 15 By-law xx-2015 - Discharge of Firearms.pdf

The OFAH will be emailing members in the area notifying them of the upcoming meeting.

Just like the rest of the free world , one person one vote. Do you want to go back to when wealthy landowners dictated to the serfs? Yes if 10.000 city slickers moved to let's say to any town of 9,000 yes they could and should be able to change that small town way of life to suit there own needs and wants. That is and should be the way it is.