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I am not sure why you are assuming I have any trouble in my camp because in 40 years I have not. I do not think that in regards to someone suing me that it could not happen because it could and it would be out of my control. You seem to have absolute certainty because of your ability to pick people it would not happen to you and thats great. What is your secret do you introduce them to your dog's and see what they think of them lolQuote:
Originally Posted by terrym
Sometimes,it's not only an injured person that starts the law suit. Depending on severity like a debilitating injury or fatality,an irate family can really make life miserable for any camp owner and members designated as camp "directors",especially,if huge medical bills that aren't covered,rehab,continuous care or funeral expenses are factored in. Ambulance-chasing lawyers are only too eager to cash in. There seems to be lots of them around,anymore.LOL
We do not run a commercial camp. Do not charge for lodging and do not supply treestands. We hunt 100% Crown land. Seeing as 3 members are police officers and one is an Ontario Conservation officer we have a pretty solid understanding of all liability laws and firearms legislation and Provincial game laws and land use. 4 of the members are CPR trained and one in fact is a certified CPR instructor. By all means if you feel the members of your camp or their families are the type to sue you for their personal injuries or are prone to such incidents then get a lawyer to draw up a release and have it signed by all. We just choose members very carefully. I think if you were to poll the camps in Ontario not many would have its members sign releases. Hunting season is around the corner boys, best get your personal attorneys lined up and retainer fees paid in full. This mentality is why it is so hard to get invited to established deer camps now and why so many are frustrated trying to get into it. I will sight in the rifles and start working the dog on wild birds. .:rolleyes:
We're not a commercial camp either. I own the land and my buddies come hunt it with me. My insurance company knows this and has no problem with it. All they wanted to know was approximately how many guys hunt it and on average how many days a year we hunt.
You guys have a requirement for Ofah or other insurance?
I did it with our camp as we have my land plus a couple of permission places. It helped with the other land owner to put there mind at ease.
At my camp there is no fees. We do have work weekends. Each year each hunter donates something like a stand, trail camera, or a tent or something they feel the camp needs. One year a guy brought up vice grips and plyers as he didn't like my home hand me downs and we needed them. If we bait mineral or anything else we all pitch in. We have a welder that built some stuff including a trailer for the bush. We split food and butchering. Alcohol you are on your own.
Welcome to the website I can tell we will get along just fine.LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Camp Red Maple
If you charge money I believe it does materially change things.Your arrangement with your guest may be seen as a CONTRACT in the eyes of the law.IMHO
I guess the best test would be simply asking your insurance company if you are covered by an activity like hunting.After all it might be seen as a "risky" type of sport,what with guns and all being around and maybe even fired.
Would it be considered a "material change" between yourself and your insurance company,who although happy to cover you for damage to your roof,or a fire, might say if a paying guest fell from a tree stand "we are not covering you as you did not tell us you
were having people hunt on your property".
P.S. This has come up before on the site http://www.oodmag.com/community/show...t-on-your-land
I certainly do not profess to have all or even any of the answers and I like running a camp less and less every year for all the reasons stated herein. We have OFAH insurance as a camp and I charge to cover costs which I would not even get half of them back. Its like being in the bush during hunting season...you take your chances.
I see what your saying... however. . What I'd the payment is for room and board only...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
If some is hurt so badly they can't possibly work the rest of their life, they're going to have to sue just to support their living costs. If you're best friend is hurt by falling out of a treestand and they are rendered paraplegic they have to sue in the hope that they can win some money to support themselves the rest of their life. They'll sue everybody ....treestand manufacturer, the guy that put the stand up, the harness maker, the supervisor of the hunt camp etc.
I don't necessarily agree with the logic but that's the world we live in these days.
Or his family will if hes killed. Or his insurance company if they do a payment out to him.
We were upfront with our insurance company aboit hunting and they raised our rates a bit. We also require all hunters to have personal liability from the OFAH.
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Originally Posted by DanO