Volkswagen: Das busted !!!!

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

I would think none because no one else puts Diesel engines in their cars. Big trucks are an entity unto themselves and as such are exempt.

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I agree with Terry. I think this is a pandora's box waiting to be opened. I would think GM is in an uncomfortable place right now - Anyone who markets a clean burning diesel will be under a lot of scrutiny - eg. Chevy Cruze Diesel, Ram 1500 Eco Diesel. Not to mention other car makers that have been lined up waiting to bring clean diesel technology into N.America like GM, Honda, Ford, Mazda (how long have we been waiting for the CX5 diesel). Perhaps we know why everyone is so gun shy to bring diesel tech into N.America.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

I would think none because no one else puts Diesel engines in their cars. Big trucks are an entity unto themselves and as such are exempt.

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Many manufacturers like Mercedes, Toyota, GM, have diesels in Europe. Diesel is huge globally.

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Originally Posted by terrym

Many manufacturers like Mercedes, Toyota, GM, have diesels in Europe. Diesel is huge globally.

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agree, but that doesn't really matter. the economical logic is pretty simple: we have to follow what our little neighbour wants; and they get what California wants...
see; that's one of the few things we cannot blame the GTA for.
California is worse than the GTA on steroids LOL

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Originally Posted by RTRonthefly

I agree with Terry. I think this is a pandora's box waiting to be opened. I would think GM is in an uncomfortable place right now - Anyone who markets a clean burning diesel will be under a lot of scrutiny - eg. Chevy Cruze Diesel, Ram 1500 Eco Diesel. Not to mention other car makers that have been lined up waiting to bring clean diesel technology into N.America like GM, Honda, Ford, Mazda (how long have we been waiting for the CX5 diesel). Perhaps we know why everyone is so gun shy to bring diesel tech into N.America.

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My R&D engineer contacts don't like to talk about our (GM) diesel projects or even when they'll be available on the mainstream market or if they even will be anytime soon. Allison Diesels in the pickups have a lot of emission crap on them,even more than my 5.3L gas engine. All they've ever said to me is "Not anytime soon". Maybe,this is why. Time will tell. Now that I've retired,I'm kind of out of the loop. LOL

You have some good information, but it is not entirely accurate. Both the U.S. and Canada purchase used vehicles "off the street" and put them through the standard test procedure. These vehicles must meet the standards, even though they are used, as long as the mileage is below a maximum mileage set by the regulations. They are tested with a standard test fuel because that is the only practical way to isolate the performance of the vehicle from the effects of the fuel.

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Originally Posted by PaulR

Emission testing for certification is not done with built online vehicles, all testing is done with vehicles that have been carefully prepped to ensure that they pass. Every emission device is tested before being installed onto the test vehicles, whenever there is a range for a pass/ fail of a component, the component is always selected to be in the best range to ensure a pass.
Also, emission testing is NOT done using gasoline, it is done with indolene, a much purer fuel to ensure the vehicle passes. Fuel lines and vacuum lines are also checked to make sure they seal completely before the "Shed Test", a test that looks at evaporative emissions.
No right off the line vehicle running on regular gasoline is going to pass the emissions requirements for certification. All they are proving is that if every part is perfect, every connection is tight and leak free, and the fuel is perfect, the system will be within an acceptable range, could be the bottom of the range, could be the top, but it will meet specs.

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