Getting stuck with another long-gun registry bill

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Originally Posted by bardern

personally I take the "Fudd" term as a compliment. Redneck also fits.

Cons, NDP, or Libs I just don't trust any of them not to bring back the LGR if it is perceived to buy votes. Parties do not set policy as to benefit the common good or common sense but rather to what will get them re-elected.

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cant argue with that.

yeah Mulrooney was an issue. But let's see the Chretien government stole much more around 1 billion + and Ontario Liberals over 200 Billion. Were you afraid to admit that. I will add that the new Trudeau government will probably aim for 500 Billion.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

100% agree with you but it will probably continue with the same posters,banging the drums on the same topics.Very sad.

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Yep.
And we can see what t's cost people here in Ontario, in spade. Real, back breaking cost........
Shame the electorate didn't vote for whats the greater good vs their own self interest.

Federally, I've voted Liberal far more than I've voted Con. But I always have had a hate on for vote buying/pandering and when it goes too far..The Fed liberals pander hard to Quebec...The same could said of the Cons pandering to the West (Harper especially).

However, if theres anyone to thank for it, it's PET who really ramped it up both pandering to Que and pissing off, alienating western Canada (Wheat Control board)
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These days its all about the win. They are all full of it.

Again simply look at the hot air Justin and Ms Wynne spew about the environment.
Last I checked, they are at the bottom of budget and allocations. If we the electorate actually cared, damned straight there'd be more money for the MNRF, MoE, DoF, etc.

Cliches exist for reasons.

Follow the money

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

I know people who have left this forum, because many threads turn into an anti Liberal diatribe. On other forums that I use, OOD members are known as Fudds for their attitudes.

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That works both ways....most people I know in real life (as opposed to the internet) would find OOD to be a bunch of liberals. I guess it depends who you associate with. But it is an outdoors forum and while fishermen tend to cover the spectrum left to right, hunters tend to be to the right. When compared to the real hunting forums I frequent, mostly American - OOD members are waaaaaay to the left on their views.

Re the gun registry and its 2B cost. I've spent the last 35 years developing custom software systems - and the 2B cost is way out of line - more than an order of magnitude. It would be impossible to spend more than a couple of hundred million on the registry - and that's including the buildings and staff for the life of it.

Someone stole a pile of money - plain and simple.

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Originally Posted by terrym

Not sure how you see the Feds laundering money to Quebec the same as Mulroney screwing over the German guy for cash payment for lobbying services the week he left office. Mulroney may have been a sleeze there but he was a private citizen and attempts to slander him got him one of the largest ever court settlements in Canadian history. Nothing Political on Mulroneys part there just personal greed.

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Yup now they are talking about bringing in his daughter, (apple/tree), even worse than PET and his son, me thinks.

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Originally Posted by Doug

You make me laugh. This thread was never about the Long Gun Registry, it is about Liberal Bashing and as such should have been moved to the Off Topic section long ago.

I am not a Liberal, a NDP'er nor a Conservative, I have voted for each party in the past; but not once has it ever been a one party does it all for me. I do find the reactions funny though when anyone dare bash the Conservatives.

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Actually this thread was introduce on a manners of political transparency and trust, we live in a democracy, which is government of the people, by the people, for the people. When a political party says they are not going to do something, and achieves a mandate to govern, based upon said premise. Then turns about to offers support, for the very same thing to be done by a different level of governs, that show a real want of political transparency. It has all the appearance of deceiving the people at the very onset. The people who entrusted them to govern. Here the Liberals have a choice, if they were really sincere about bolstering transparency, and that is simply to withdraw any thought of support for Quebec’s long-gun registry. Other wise any support they give mortal or financial, without seeking a mandate from the people to do so, should be an open door, to them getting well bashed. Democracy is not government of the people, by the people, in spite of the people. When will they finally come to that realization.

You stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

Most people I know and associate with in 'real' life, don't hunt or fish and would wonder why we worry about something that is of little consequence in the grand scheme of things.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

Yup now they are talking about bringing in his daughter, (apple/tree), even worse than PET and his son, me thinks.

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actually her resume and accomplishments blow JT out of the water. Nowadays good looks and charisma can get you elected PM. If she decides to run I bet she clobbers JT.

then again he's about to rig the electoral system so it's near impossible to beat the libranos.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

Most people I know and associate with in 'real' life, don't hunt or fish and would wonder why we worry about something that is of little consequence in the grand scheme of things.

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To many of us, hunting and fishing and the outdoors is not "something that is of little consequence in the grand scheme of things".
If I didn't hunt/fish/boat/cottage - I could retire and spend the rest of my life doing ...well things of "more consequence in the grand scheme of things".

Whatever the heck this "grand scheme of things" is... I always thought the "grand scheme of things" was finding more ways to spend time outdoors hunting/fishing/boating/cottaging...

You're starting to sound like Hec Clouthier's speech at the Pembroke Sportsmen club when he told them the should not worry about the gun registry and should "get a life". The speech has kept Cheryl Gallant getting re-elected every election since then - 15+ years or so now? Those are the people I identify with...and you won't find them online because they are too busy out there in the real world to bother with it.