US v/s Them... (us?)

Lol,, all the metrosexual country music lately is overbearing. I will stick with Johnny, willie, hank, the possum and Conway thank you very much. Oh,, Steve Earl too , lol

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Originally Posted by Hunter John

Lol,, all the metrosexual country music lately is overbearing. I will stick with Johnny, willie, hank, the possum and Conway thank you very much. Oh,, Steve Earl too , lol

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How right you are! My favorite radio station in the truck is SiriusXM59....Willie's Roadhouse. You won't hear any of that Brokeback Mountain whinin' crap there.LOL

^^^^ what he said!

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Originally Posted by JoePa

Blue' - man I don't know where to begin - it would take me all day to fully answer your comments - briefly - there wouldn't be a British Commonwealth if the US didn't enter the war against Germany when it did - England was on its knees during WWII and Churchill knew it and said so - it was initially the US's aid that kept England alive and than our superior military power that won the war - without it England would not exist today

Sure Canada has a small military but it is no where near enough to protect itself from a power like Russia - there are a lot of countries throughout the world that depend on the US for protection today - I could list them all but don't have the time -

Yes the US fought the communist in several places and stood up to them otherwise you would be under communist rule today - at end of WWII we were the most powerful country on this earth - we were the only country with the Bomb if we had any intention of taking over the world nobody could have stopped us - so it wasn't money that caused us to get involved

And then finally - the US has enough water - between the oil, coal and gas we have more than enough energy for our needs - maybe you don't know it but we are now exporting all three of these energy sources - we are basically self sufficient - expect maybe for maple syrup and bacon from Canada -

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Joe - your last three points there are valid - but that about the US in Europe in WW II??? Seriously?? Do they even print that in US history books??

Initially I was loath to wade into this discussion given that I am not anti-American and I have some fairly strong ties with our cousins to the south.

Let's be clear, the American public was unwilling to support WWII until 7 Dec 1941. Prior to this US companies made $$millions selling to war materials to Great Britain as it stood alone defending the world. When Churchill stated that Britain was on its knees, he really meant that it had drained the coffers, there was no money left while the US stood by safe from harm and soaked up the profits from the war. Following WWII, the UK continued to impose rationing into the mid-50s while it slowly rebuilt the infrastructure of the country devastated by the bombings. Meanwhile, the US propped up both Japan and Germany to rebuild factories and infrastructure which of course meant more money for American companies. So, yes there is really no question that the USA emerged as the new superpower following WWII given $$$ harvested during and after.

Now let's look at the A-bomb. As I recall history the Manhattan Project had the support of both Canada and the Great Britain. The team members were no solely American, in fact many were imported since the US did not possess the knowledge base to develop nuclear technology on its own. An inconvenient truth that Hollywood tends to skip the part where considerable support was given by the Montreal Labs. Canada went on to have the first self sustaining nuclear reactor in Sept 1945 (outside the one in the US that was the prototype).

I find it interesting that the US version of history is so smug about the Cold War given that the US stood idle in a secret deal to allow the USSR to annex half of Europe. One could make the observation that Europe was saved by the US from German rule only to be handed over to the USSR in the decade that followed. If the US had used the A-bomb there was potential for countless millions in Europe to have been spared the loss of freedom under the Communists.

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Originally Posted by Hunter John

Lol,, all the metrosexual country music lately is overbearing. I will stick with Johnny, willie, hank, the possum and Conway thank you very much. Oh,, Steve Earl too , lol

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Originally Posted by cantcatchacold

True but the US owes us an apology for creed, Florida Georgia Line and all the other pop bro country out now.

I won't get into the other stuff with Joe. Having actually met the guy he's pretty decent.

JoePa hope you make it up this fall for quinte and you still owe me my beer for The Obama bet :)

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You know I actually brought a case of beer up with me the last time we had the BOQ get together - somehow you wasn't there - so we all drank it - but whenever we get together again I'll bring up another case of Yuengling - I have to laugh when I read about those people going to Cuba and bragging about the beer down there - only goes to show you that they must be used to drinking P___ and don't have a clue what good beer taste like - Cuba may be known for having some good things but it surely ain't beer -

There is a military channel on TV that I watch a lot - it is like the history channel but restricts itself to military topics - and one thing that is shown is how England was fighting for its life and without the aide that was being sent by the US early in the war England would have gone down - Churchill even told Roosevelt that if the US didn't enter the war England was lost - we were sending aide before we entered the war - but as you say - it was our industrial might that was a big factor in defeating Germany - as the war went on we were manufacturing better and better weapons - our fighter planes took over the sky - our bombers grew bigger and bigger - like so many subsequent wars - air power was the predominate force to be dealt with -

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Originally Posted by DGearyFTE

Now let's look at the A-bomb. As I recall history the Manhattan Project had the support of both Canada and the Great Britain. The team members were no solely American, in fact many were imported since the US did not possess the knowledge base to develop nuclear technology on its own. An inconvenient truth that Hollywood tends to skip the part where considerable support was given by the Montreal Labs. Canada went on to have the first self sustaining nuclear reactor in Sept 1945 (outside the one in the US that was the prototype).

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Don't forget the German Jewish brain drain, without the exodus of German scientists the Allies would never have had nuclear fission Leo Szilard, Albert Einstein, Eugene Wigner, Edward Teller, Hans Bethe, they all left from various German and Austro-Hungarian lands and moved to work on the building of the A-Bomb and in turn nuclear power as a whole. Here is a link to some Canadian info, http://nuclearsafety.gc.ca/eng/resou...evelopment.cfm , we actually mined and supplied the raw material from the north west territories, but again our tiny army could do nothing.

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Originally Posted by JoePa

There is a military channel on TV that I watch a lot - it is like the history channel but restricts itself to military topics - and one thing that is shown is how England was fighting for its life and without the aide that was being sent by the US early in the war England would have gone down - Churchill even told Roosevelt that if the US didn't enter the war England was lost - we were sending aide before we entered the war - but as you say - it was our industrial might that was a big factor in defeating Germany - as the war went on we were manufacturing better and better weapons - our fighter planes took over the sky - our bombers grew bigger and bigger - like so many subsequent wars - air power was the predominate force to be dealt with -

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Watch some documentaries that were not produced by Americans and see how things differ.

Here is one on the Spitfire, one of the easiest to build and best defense aircraft of the war, it did not have the range to reach Germany but it did not have to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDzZnCkbxgs

Here is one on the Canadian Navy, the third largest navy in the world at the end of the world with 90000 personnel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOHQHF34ORQ

If you want to talk about the reason for the failure of the German war effort you can look East, the eastern front was a major contributor to the downfall of the German army. If Hitler kept his pact with Stalin the outcome of the war would have been much different.

If anyone else is interested check out this movie

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_First_of_the_Few

It is a movie based on the design of the spitfire, it was released in 42, not in the 60s like many of the war movies.

These types of movies were part of my growing up, grandpa was too young to fly in the war but bought a trainer post war and learned aerobatics out of Waterloo Wellington airport.