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Originally Posted by Snowwalker
Now only 2 out of 4 :)
I realize that I am also going to fall into the minority here, but have to support the others in saying that I find it disturbing how many people feel this person deserves to die for personal property.
I live in Canada, and will be the first to admit that our laws aren't perfect. However, I don't think lethal force should be justified to defend property. The level of deterrent could be stiffer penalties in the Justice system.
I am happy we don't have open carry in this country, and don't support it in any way. (and I do own guns for other purposes)
Anyways, just my opinion in support of the others here.
PUC
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Sorry, I know you made a joke there but I missed.
In fairness to both sides of the discussion, there is not enough judicial information to make a clear cut moral or legal choice wrt justification at least from a moral and legal standpoint, other than using one's own moral view. That's mainly due to lots of things but mostly personal moral understanding of life and values, culture influences and what the "government" deems justifiable.
If you have property rights(meaning the government legally allows you to have). Then considering that culturally and legally life and property are one and the same in the eyes of citizens and said "government" (meaning property is life). Lethal force would be justifiable for things like arson, robbery, felonious theft, burglary and destruction of property. Many State's laws are codified that way.
In some cases, maybe even this one, words were uttered as a serious threat to the victim or resistance would cause the victim to incur serious bodily harm. That additional evidence can also constitute and justify lethal force.
Anyway, likely not enough information to swing the forum jury on this hypothetical case. Plus the fact that there are 50 States with their own laws about this type of event, about property defense, whether it's justifiable anywhere, only in the dwelling house, or under what specific circumstances it occurs.
EDIT to add....
I knew I had seen her somewhere before.... Domestic, battered wife, lots of questions about trial evidence omission. Convicted of murdering husband at a boat ramp.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...icle-1.1929759
Tracey Grissom was convicted of murdering ex-husband Hunter Grissom in July, but she maintained she was acting in self-defense. During an emotional sentencing hearing in Tuscaloosa, a former juror claimed she would have delivered a different verdict if she had known about domestic abuse allegations against Hunter..............
No desire to open a can of worms.
But I always find it somewhat sad/ironic/comical. That a very big chunk of the US very strongly believes in property rights, an individuals right to freedom, to defend that which is theirs. No "judgement" here, very much a "to each their own" thing, and unlike many I am able to realize that having not grown up, my viewpoints are skewed.
Morals are not universal. And until the world understands that, there will always be problems.
However,
Shame the US doesn't value those same "rights" when it comes to people outside their borders.
[COLOR=#333333]Lethal force would be justifiable for things like arson, robbery, felonious theft, burglary and destruction of property. Many State's laws are codified that way.
One persons "[COLOR=#333333]freedom fighter" is another persons terrorist. In essence if I'm an American...I feel its ok to kill someone attempting to
Harm me, or my family
Steal my TV
Destroy my property
If Im an Iraqi, or X, or Y well, my rights don't count and its do as I say, not as I believe in. Whats good for the goose, not so much the gander.
Just thoughts, nothing else on the world today
oh but there is : Trump spoke in California tonight saying that "Clinton was an enabler" for not leaving her husband when he made his sexual mistake. (not worth a new thread :) )
I wonder if he thought that way when Ivana and Marla booted his cheatin' a** out. Pot meet kettle.LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Sharon