AR 15 Reclassification

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Originally Posted by skypilot

What is wrong with that? Her DL proves and satisfies the residency criteria of the US and the State, She had to answer ATF form 4473 questions truthfully under penalty of Federal Law, the FBI background check established no Interstate Identification Index bridged with NCIC and she got a supper price on what is called in Canada a "Patrol Carbine"(if you are a cop) it's a totally, totally different firearm if you're a Canadian resident, or citizen and own it. Funny how that retardation works. It's still a semi auto action similar to every other semi auto on earth except it has "scarier" furniture surrounding it deemed so by the Wendy Cukiers and their club.

Regardless that is about the time it takes me at my local Canadian gun shop. Although last time the computer was glitchy and it took about 5 extra minutes.

What other background check are tolerable in a free society? You Canadians abhor the death penalty due to distrust and past false convictions by the Crown. Why do you expect Americans to accept less standards wrt the government than you?
A terror watch list is a POS, unreliable and strategically unusable by LE. Ted Kennedy was on it for years and had many issues as a US Senator while traveling because of it. Many innocent people can cycle on and off the list as the TRUTH is realized. It is not a list with enough integrity to take a right from a citizen without DUE PROCESS.

Almost anyone in LE can literally add your name to the terror list. The typical BS hype from Odumbo is exactly that, just more BS hype.

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W-h-o-o-a-a,boy. Nowhere did I say there was anything wrong it. If that's their system,then,legit is legit. I certainly don't have any issue with it. AAMOF,I wish we could do the same thing here with every AR platform rifle and handgun and take them to the range or service shop without playing "mommy may I" with some gawd dam bureaucrat,especially,after jumping through all the hoops and being licensed beforehand. That's OUR bullshyte system and it's beyond ferkin' stupid. So,now,here comes Obama,Biden et al and every left/liberal democrat having a "come to Jesus" moment with "keeping people who shouldn't have access to firearms from getting them" like they just stumbled onto a brilliant epiphany to sell their gun control agenda because what they've tried,so far,has fallen flatter than pee on a plate. Jysys H Christ ,is there no end to those people?

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

W-h-o-o-a-a,boy. Nowhere did I say there was anything wrong it. If that's their system,then,legit is legit. I certainly don't have any issue with it. AAMOF,I wish we could do the same thing here with every AR platform rifle and handgun and take them to the range or service shop without playing "mommy may I" with some gawd dam bureaucrat,especially,after jumping through all the hoops and being licensed beforehand. That's OUR bullshyte system and it's beyond ferkin' stupid. So,now,here comes Obama,Biden et al and every left/liberal democrat having a "come to Jesus" moment with "keeping people who shouldn't have access to firearms from getting them" like they just stumbled onto a brilliant epiphany to sell their gun control agenda because what they've tried,so far,has fallen flatter than pee on a plate. Jysys H Christ ,is there no end to those people?

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Sorry Trimmer, the rest of my post wasn't directed at you. I should have said that in my post when I was speaking on the stupidity and hypocrisy of American and Canadian liberal gun politics.

Funny, the left cries out all Muslims are not terrorist, so don't treat them that way, yet all gun owners are potential mass shooters and should be treated that way.

Freedom is a unique concept. The same freedom that allows clubs like the Pulse and their clientele is the same freedom that allows a gun to be owned by a citizen/resident like the Orlando shooter.

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Originally Posted by Fox

Why do you want to hunt with a 303? You want to use it because it works and you enjoy that gun and shooting it. Remember, every sporter 303 Brit was an assault rifle for its time, just does not have a black stock.

The Remington 742 semi auto is no different than the AR15, one has wood and one has plastic, they are both semi auto and limited to 5rds in the magazine in Canada so why the difference in classification.

I think you need to find someone who shoots an AR at the range and go shoot one, you will find out why people would want one, it is similar to those people here who don't understand why anyone would want a handgun or even a fast car, motorcycle or boat for that matter.

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Appreciate the feedback gents. And what do you know? I didn't get my head taken off! Not that I was actually expecting it... my experience of these forums, and outdoorsmen in general is one of respect.

As DGeary has pointed out, the issue is consistency in the application of the law.

Fox, you made me think: I like to ride motorcycles. Some guys look at them and all they see is a suicide machine. But the law is applied equally, whether I'm riding a Harley Electra Glide, or a GSXR (for those who are bike illiterate, that a cruiser vs. a crotch rocket). As long as I operate the thing in accordance with the law, it doesn't matter how 'scary' it looks.

The same consistency should also be observed in the classification of firearms too. If the law lays out certain criteria indicating whether a firearm is restricted, prohibited, or non-restricted - then that law should be the constant that is applied to all guns. This is a great point that many of you have made well.

Heck, for pete's sake, I can head down to Canadian Tire right now and buy a semi-auto (I even think they are on sale!) - with it's beefy wooden stock. Whats the real difference, especially at the business end, between the common as dirt SKS and the AR-15? One is big and clunky, and the other is 'scary.'

I see the heart of this issue is not really concerning the classification of the AR-15, but the inconsistency of the classification in general.

I appreciate the clarity brought to me on this issue... now, what can i do about it?

I started shooting well before the FACS, took one of the first hunter safety course in Ontario, got my hunting license at 15 because of that course. Went on to get involved with handguns and had a carry permit for years, from the time when any cop could write one up for you until it took a complete police check to get one, but they were good 24/7 anyplace in Canada( except for a few spots) .
Back then it took an act of parliament to change our gun laws. Either you had been judged as competent to own a handgun, and use that gun, or you did not have the permit to do so. It didn't matter if your gun had a 4" barrel or a 4.5" tube. It might be a 22, 32, or 38. You were either competent and could be trusted or not. If a cop saw your carry permit he seemed to feel that you had been tested and could be trusted. Well, maybe a few Metro Toronto Cops had doubts......but the OPP and any COs felt that it was a privilege to have that permit and you were not going to screw it up.

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Originally Posted by welsh

The RCMP are not empowered to make laws. The law establishes criteria by which firearms are classified. The RCMP has the responsibility to compare firearms against those criteria and determine their correct classification.

The RCMP does not have the power to change the criteria or to classify a firearm based on anything but those criteria. Orders-in-council must be passed by Cabinet.

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I respectfully disagree. At face value, you're correct. The words are...that is. The Blaze rifle is mentioned already (absolutely ridiculous) but take a slightly bigger step back~what about the Swiss Arms Classic Green? A rifle that went from non-restricted to prohibited (having never been used in a crime) and an uproar from the shooting community turned that around. Was that the RCMP protecting all of us..because the rifle itself didn't actually change overnight.

Listen~I don't actually disagree with you...but as a hunter/shooting enthusiast we really all ought to be concerned when we have the right to own/use a given rifle one day (that the RCMP had classified AS non-restricted) and with no concrete proof of any change, they flipped a switch and that $4000+ rifle you enjoyed in the field yesterday has made you into a criminal for just owning it today. Yes...I'm being just a tad dramatic maybe, but it's no joke. I don't own, and have never owned a S/A rifle...and I'm not even 100% sure I'd buy an AR if they became non-restricted~but I personally think the laws are too limiting here in Canada and I hate the idea of losing any ground. Even if you have no desire to own an AR or hunt with one, NO gun owner in Canada should be content seeing the RCMP treat law-abiding gun owners like "criminals-to-be".

Ask people in High River AB about the RCMP and guns. I have.

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• rick_iles, RCMP think hunting firearms are limited to 3 rounds.

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There's a lot misinformation flooding round about the 3 round limit and hunting in Ontario. One of the latest things I've heard is that the 3 round limit, which is clear stated in the hunting regulation, and which only applies to manually repeating shotgun, NOT RIFLES, is that the limit only applies when you are waterfowl hunting. No true, of course, manually repeating shotguns, are required to be limited to three shots for all manner of hunting. I believe the idea behind it was that a fleeing animals after the third round would be a sufficient distance from the shooter, that any additional rounds would only contribute to wounding, rather than producing or ensuring a clean kill. This owing to the short range nature of a shotgun and the its limited range of its accuracy. I suspect if you are working with a rifled slug barrel you might have an argument for increasing the round limit, but I would suspect it would end up in an enforcement nightmare, so its not likely to happen. What I don't like about these so called RCMP firearm experts is the limit extent of their expertise, of which their understanding of the 3 round limit for hunting firearms (rifles) in Ontario clearly demonstrates.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

As far as I'm concerned once a person is authorized to have a PAL then that person is deemed safe and what Color his rifles are shouldn't be an issue. This conversation is driven by ill informed anti gun groups and politicians. What could go wrong?

The media is going out of it's way to be ignorant it seems.
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/wo...ate-in-the-u-s

In this article it seems to want to tie the AR-15 to the Orlando shootings.
She is too dense to realize the reasons it is popular include easy to use and accuracy and makes them sound like bad things.... I mean she is 15 feet... yes 15 feet away and amazed she can hit something the size of a head with a rifle.... the DUH factor on firearms is off the chart here!

She atleast did get some facts right that 2/3 of violence deaths in the US are handguns and conveniently leaves out facts like the majority are gang related.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/1715...iel-greenfield

So what is happening in Chicago to drive it to the gates of hell ahead of Zimbabwe and Rwanda?

A breakdown of the Chicago killing fields shows that 83% of those murdered in Chicago last year had criminal records. In Philly, it’s 75%. In Milwaukee it’s 77% percent. In New Orleans, it’s 64%. In Baltimore, it’s 91%. Many were felons who had served time. And as many as 80% of the homicides were gang related.


I guess the Liberal media and gov't won't talk about the hard parts of crime control like gangs, which in Canada I have heard is as much or more than 50% of the murders. We won't see the AR-15 allowed in Canada... maybe just because it is associated with the great terror... America :silly: or maybe it is too scary and let's remember we have Liberals in power, fear and fear mongering is their bread and butter.

This is a bit of an eye opener...holy crap talk about concealed carry !!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOTRkd0p50o

Not very practical if he needs to move or retreive it quickly but entertaining and real entertaing if it cycles while in the nether region.

How did they know he was unmarried? lol