Montreal pit bull owners: prove a dog's breed

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Originally Posted by JBen

.... They can start with breeders. Regulate the industry some.

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and that might actually be a good idea - unfortunately it would not address the fact that scumbags will look for other aggressive breeds / new designs
I'm certainly not for government intervention like in Montreal, but breeds are simply not equal. While shepherds, collies, spitz, golden retrievers etc. like to bite, they very rarely get into a frenzy like PB breed category.
Yes, many PBs are actually good nannie dogs, but fact is also that once the switch is on they won't stop!
And while I can completely relate to the example of the little lap dog that should get a reality check (owner including), one better add what happens when the PB is the one loosing the initial (relatively uneventful) scrapping - it ain't over until it is over; and those incidents got them banned in pretty much every dog park.
the only good thing about them is that it tells a lot about their owner...

The flaw withn the banning philosopy is termed uncertainty. All risk(s) have identifiable variables that can be addressed and so can uncertainty to some practical degree. It appears the government has a poor concept of the uncertainty, so the easy way is a ban.

Seems, in many instances, the government(s) lacks the knowledge of risk management and/or has no desire to address any risk and thus their answer is ban, ban, ban. Risk adverse would be a good term for their philosopy.

Considering the above, it is reasonable to assume that when dealing with animals, some uncertainty is present after all known risks are eliminated and/or reasonably mitigated. This is where decisions about acceptance of that uncertainty are considered exceptable or not acceptable.

It would seem reasonable to also consider what is personally exceptable and then what is publically acceptable meaning if one wishes to accept that uncertainty in your own environment v that same uncertainty in a public setting and the "real" quantifiable probabilities of any risk.

Certainly a government with greater risk issues than privately owned dogs could come up with a better balance of security of person than an emotional attitude of banning everthing with > zero risk. For example one that protects personal autonomy and protection from government interference within the realm of security of person.

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Originally Posted by Waftrudnir

and that might actually be a good idea - unfortunately it would not address the fact that scumbags will look for other aggressive breeds / new designs
I'm certainly not for government intervention like in Montreal, but breeds are simply not equal. While shepherds, collies, spitz, golden retrievers etc. like to bite, they very rarely get into a frenzy like PB breed category.
Yes, many PBs are actually good nannie dogs, but fact is also that once the switch is on they won't stop!
And while I can completely relate to the example of the little lap dog that should get a reality check (owner including), one better add what happens when the PB is the one loosing the initial (relatively uneventful) scrapping - it ain't over until it is over; and those incidents got them banned in pretty much every dog park.
the only good thing about them is that it tells a lot about their owner...

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To bad your experiences in dog parks does not include clue less owners of a rather large assortment of other aggressive/dominant dogs who are are smoking fags and drinking coffee while their untrained dogs wreak havoc in the parks.I have meet with pit bulls in the off leash parks and both my dog and theirs have had lots of playful scrapping without further incident.Still see pit bull,s and pit bull mixes in the park,no problems with other park goers or with my dog off leash.None of them banned because there were no incidents.

I suppose next you will suggest that 110lbs Rottweilers or 150lbs Mastiffs are getting beat up in dog parks by 65lbs pit bulls.OMG.

I agree. I take the JRT to dog parks. Problems there have nothing to do do with the breed imo. I've seen all breeds be a problem over the years - even mine. :)