Waterfowling in a boat question.

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Originally Posted by duckslayer

Ya that is prob the best senario, no point in arguing with someone like that, 13 posts in and everyone of them is telling someone how he knows the rules better.............. Not worth arguing with the trolls...........

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I fail to see how post count has any relation with knowing the regs... It's a simple matter of comprehension skills...
You guys seem to know what your doing, the information and facts were quoted from the regs for the original poster, hopefully he will read the regs for himself and make up his own mind.

Nobody is able to back up the statement that you can discharge from a boat under power....
Hearsay, or the fact you've been doing it wrong for 45 years, or it's okay if your diver hunting do not back up this claim...

Sorry guys i'm really not trying to troll or be rude but you need to read what you are saying... The regulations are pretty clear... And if said OPP officer is not willing to charge a person discharging from a boat under power then he falls into that doesn't have a clue or just simply doesn't care category...

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Originally Posted by duckslayer

Ya that is prob the best senario, no point in arguing with someone like that, 13 posts in and everyone of them is telling someone how he knows the rules better.............. Not worth arguing with the trolls...........

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No trolls on here. Period, full stop.

The regs have been read out to you, they aren't really up for interpretation. Yes, you can use a power boat to RETRIEVE birds. Shooting cripples from a boat while under power is against the regs. Shooting at any animal while under power is against the regs. Why do you think the reg further defines it as "not under power, and with forward momentum halted?" So there is a very clear line between the act of hunting and shooting, and the retrieval of game.

Just because you and guys like Rick have been "getting away with it for 45 years" doesn't mean you're not breaking the regs. You just don't seem to like having it pointed out on a very public forum, now do you?

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Originally Posted by Bluebulldog

No trolls on here. Period, full stop.

The regs have been read out to you, they aren't really up for interpretation. Yes, you can use a power boat to RETRIEVE birds. Shooting cripples from a boat while under power is against the regs. Shooting at any animal while under power is against the regs. Why do you think the reg further defines it as "not under power, and with forward momentum halted?" So there is a very clear line between the act of hunting and shooting, and the retrieval of game.

Just because you and guys like Rick have been "getting away with it for 45 years" doesn't mean you're not breaking the regs. You just don't seem to like having it pointed out on a very public forum, now do you?

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That was good :)

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Originally Posted by Bluebulldog

No trolls on here. Period, full stop.

The regs have been read out to you, they aren't really up for interpretation. Yes, you can use a power boat to RETRIEVE birds. Shooting cripples from a boat while under power is against the regs. Shooting at any animal while under power is against the regs. Why do you think the reg further defines it as "not under power, and with forward momentum halted?" So there is a very clear line between the act of hunting and shooting, and the retrieval of game.

Just because you and guys like Rick have been "getting away with it for 45 years" doesn't mean you're not breaking the regs. You just don't seem to like having it pointed out on a very public forum, now do you?

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There are two different scenarios here. Can you run under power and shoot at a cripple? No you cannot. However, you can run out to the duck, engine now in neutral, load up and dispatch the cripple. The difference is the motor not running and forward motion stopped requirement to "hunt" from a powerboat, do not apply. Retrieving is not subject to those conditions. Your motor may be running, and forward motion doesn't need to be stopped. Retrieving is not "hunting". That is the reason an unlicensed individual may assist in retrieval and recovery of legally harvested game. But that's probably subject to another argument !
As far as "getting away with it ", I've hunted regularly with Federal wildlife officers. I think they knew the regs. !!!

DUM DE DUM DUM! stay tuned for the next exciting post / developement in this suspense filled thread !:)
I've got to get more popcorn.

Why would there be an exception rule to allow me to go retrieve/pick up my dead duck with a motor boat?
Seems odd doesn't it?

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

There are two different scenarios here. Can you run under power and shoot at a cripple? No you cannot. However, you can run out to the duck, engine now in neutral, load up and dispatch the cripple. The difference is the motor not running and forward motion stopped requirement to "hunt" from a powerboat, do not apply. Retrieving is not subject to those conditions. Your motor may be running, and forward motion doesn't need to be stopped. Retrieving is not "hunting". That is the reason an unlicensed individual may assist in retrieval and recovery of legally harvested game. But that's probably subject to another argument !
As far as "getting away with it ", I've hunted regularly with Federal wildlife officers. I think they knew the regs. !!!

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OK Rick....argue some more. Lets ask you this.....when does shooting a "cripple" fall under the definition of a retrieve?

Answer? It doesn't. A crippled bird is not retrieving game. Either the bird has been dispatched, and you are now in the process of retrieving it's lifeless carcass, or you are actively hunting a bird who has perhaps been wounded, but has not expired.

If a bird is alive, and you are pursuing it, under power with a loaded gun, regardless of a few pellets put in it's body, then you are hunting from a powered vehicle.

Sure, you've hunted with wildlife officers, good for you. Because no cop ever felt like they could bend the rules either by right of their employment? Getting away with something that goes against the letter of the law, and being in compliance with the law are not one and the same thing.

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

There are two different scenarios here. Can you run under power and shoot at a cripple? No you cannot. However, you can run out to the duck, engine now in neutral, load up and dispatch the cripple. The difference is the motor not running and forward motion stopped requirement to "hunt" from a powerboat, do not apply. Retrieving is not subject to those conditions. Your motor may be running, and forward motion doesn't need to be stopped. Retrieving is not "hunting". That is the reason an unlicensed individual may assist in retrieval and recovery of legally harvested game. But that's probably subject to another argument !
As far as "getting away with it ", I've hunted regularly with Federal wildlife officers. I think they knew the regs. !!!

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Oh the stories are changing now.... wow...
Bluebulldog couldn't have put it any better, it's clearly stated in the regs, motor off and forward momentum stopped... You can't even have a firearm loaded in a boat while it is under power... No exemptions in the regs, they just state that you can use your power boat to retrieve birds...

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Originally Posted by Bluebulldog

OK Rick....argue some more. Lets ask you this.....when does shooting a "cripple" fall under the definition of a retrieve?

Answer? It doesn't. A crippled bird is not retrieving game. Either the bird has been dispatched, and you are now in the process of retrieving it's lifeless carcass, or you are actively hunting a bird who has perhaps been wounded, but has not expired.

If a bird is alive, and you are pursuing it, under power with a loaded gun, regardless of a few pellets put in it's body, then you are hunting from a powered vehicle.

Sure, you've hunted with wildlife officers, good for you. Because no cop ever felt like they could bend the rules either by right of their employment? Getting away with something that goes against the letter of the law, and being in compliance with the law are not one and the same thing.

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What is YOUR definition of a retrieve? Read the bold/underlined sections. This is copied straight from the MBCA.

Retrieving Birds

• [COLOR=black]16 [COLOR=black](1) No person shall hunt a migratory bird unless he has adequate means for retrieving any such bird that he may kill, cripple or injure.
• [COLOR=black](1.1) A person who kills, cripples or injures a migratory bird shall
  
  • [COLOR=black](a) immediately make every reasonable effort to retrieve the bird; and
  • [COLOR=black](b) if he retrieves the bird while it is still alive, immediately kill and include it in his daily bag limit.
  
  
• [COLOR=black](2) Notwithstanding paragraph 15(1)(e), a power boat may be used for the purpose of retrieving a migratory bird.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Pretty clear to me.
  
  S.

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Originally Posted by Sinker

What is YOUR definition of a retrieve? Read the bold/underlined sections. This is copied straight from the MBCA.

Retrieving Birds

• [COLOR=black]16 [COLOR=black](1) No person shall hunt a migratory bird unless he has adequate means for retrieving any such bird that he may kill, cripple or injure.
• [COLOR=black](1.1) A person who kills, cripples or injures a migratory bird shall
  
  • [COLOR=black](a) immediately make every reasonable effort to retrieve the bird; and
  • [COLOR=black](b) if he retrieves the bird while it is still alive, immediately kill and include it in his daily bag limit.
  
  
• [COLOR=black](2) Notwithstanding paragraph 15(1)(e), a power boat may be used for the purpose of retrieving a migratory bird.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Pretty clear to me.
  
  S.

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Yea it says use your power boat to retrieve dead or crippled birds, and if you retrieve the bird while it is still alive then you must immediately kill it... Doesn't give an exemption to allow people to start shooting from a boat that is under power?
Should be pretty clear to everyone.