Running Coyotes and Trespassing

Sometimes things just don't work as they should whether you are running dogs, hunting private property with permission or just don't like a certain type of hunting. We push yotes also known as man dogging on here. We have permission to hunt many farms, yesterday we where asked to leave a property by the wife which we did. Last week the husband told us to have fun hunting there, this is three times since the new year the husband has seen us there and talked to us plus he hunts with one of our guys. I guess it depends who wears the pants in the house?

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Originally Posted by dutchhunter

First thy come for the coyote dogs that's okay because you don't like it.next thy come for your upland bird dogs. That's okay because you don't hunt thet way.but when thy come for your duck dogs or your deer drives. you will be screaming for help. Are hunting traditions are disappearing. We need to stick together.

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Not when those engaged in unlawful activities are tarnishing the image of the broader hunting community. Misfires are rare for you Dutch, but this is one.

If they are on property without permission record the plate numbers,obtain photos and call the MNR. There are many charges that could be laid including trespass to hunt, trespass where signs visible or fence lines ,agricultural field crossed.Discharge from highway.Loaded firearm in vehicle.
Unlicensed dogs.

To me it all goes back to common courtesy if you did not make the effort to obtain permission let the chips fall where they may.

You can ramp up the situation by seeking a restriction on the use of dogs in that WMU.

Written permission from each and every land owner with a contact number on it updated yearly by the landowners should be sufficient.

This would save the MNR lads time and effort.

Now with all that being said these coyote hunters do provide a service for farmers and landowners and I think they should be appreciated for that.If you own land and like to hunt small game or deer I think it would be wise to allow them onto the land.

If I owned a single lot in a large area where permission has been obtained from all the other properties I would want to keep my neighbors happy especially if they raise livestock, why be a spoiler when you do not have to be.Its all about compromise and attitude, if the hunters gave me attitude there would not be any compromise.

A friend of mine is just finishing off his new house getting ready to move in this weekend. He is building the house on 125 acres of farmland located in Amaranth (west of Orangeville). He was out between the house and the barn yesterday to watch a three men get out of a truck and release dogs into his field. The men then proceeded to follow the dogs going west behind the barn. At this point they met my friend (he is an avid hunter) to begin answering why they thought they could simply release dogs and trespass on his property. Apparently the weak response was "I know your father".
Sometimes stupid knows no limit.

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Originally Posted by DGearyFTE

A friend of mine is just finishing off his new house getting ready to move in this weekend. He is building the house on 125 acres of farmland located in Amaranth (west of Orangeville). He was out between the house and the barn yesterday to watch a three men get out of a truck and release dogs into his field. The men then proceeded to follow the dogs going west behind the barn. At this point they met my friend (he is an avid hunter) to begin answering why they thought they could simply release dogs and trespass on his property. Apparently the weak response was "I know your father".
Sometimes stupid knows no limit.

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You pull that crap in some parts of the province and they will just shoot your dogs, problem solved.

We had a guy tell us they knew the owners and had permission, the problem was that it was owned by my family and they did not even know the last name.

It is BS like this that is causing permission to dry up, don't blame city people moving to the country, blame idiots for ruining it for the honest people.

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Originally Posted by DGearyFTE

A friend of mine is just finishing off his new house getting ready to move in this weekend. He is building the house on 125 acres of farmland located in Amaranth (west of Orangeville). He was out between the house and the barn yesterday to watch a three men get out of a truck and release dogs into his field. The men then proceeded to follow the dogs going west behind the barn. At this point they met my friend (he is an avid hunter) to begin answering why they thought they could simply release dogs and trespass on his property. Apparently the weak response was "I know your father".
Sometimes stupid knows no limit.

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That's about all I'd need to post the property with No Trespassing signs along with other signs warning "Any Dogs running loose will be shot. No exceptions."

To be honest with you guys/gals there is NO WAY I would shoot any hunters dogs or any dogs trespassing.The only exception for me would be dogs running deer on my property out of season and only then would I call the MNR to do the shooting, not me. The poor dogs don,t know they are owned by irresponsible hunters,they are just doing what comes naturally for them, following their noses.All the bs excuses these so called hunters use can be excluded by them needing written annual permission to hunt with lot and concession number and owners telephone contact number.IMO

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

To be honest with you guys/gals there is NO WAY I would shoot any hunters dogs or any dogs trespassing.The only exception for me would be dogs running deer on my property out of season and only then would I call the MNR to do the shooting, not me. The poor dogs don,t know they are owned by irresponsible hunters,they are just doing what comes naturally for them, following their noses.All the bs excuses these so called hunters use can be excluded by them needing written annual permission to hunt with lot and concession number and owners telephone contact number.IMO

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You don't have sheep I gather.

Dogs don't know any better but their owners sure do. If the dogs keep coming around and harassing then they are open season. There are many reasons why you should give the dog a break but there are just as many if not more reasons why a loose dog running free should be dealt with, ideally by the owner leashing their dog but that is not always the case.

No I don,t have sheep and I,am pretty sure 99.9% of the folks reading this don,t have sheep.For the .1% that do have sheep I suspect that very few of them have had them attacked by dogs,maybe coyotes but not dogs.

"If dogs keep coming around and harassing then they are open season"

Interesting that you invent a situation that fits with your solution, nobody on this thread is talking about dogs harassing livestock,that is why its posted running coyotes and trespassing.

So now the question you have opened up is " would you shot a dog simply because its running free OR does it have to be running free and attacking sheep?Your post leaves that as a open question.

I would suggest to you that a "loose dog running free" would be a call for a bye law officer to look into.If you are proposing shooting a dog yourself when the dog is simply running free and not a imminent threat to livestock you might need the services of a good lawyer.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

No I don,t have sheep and I,am pretty sure 99.9% of the folks reading this don,t have sheep.For the .1% that do have sheep I suspect that very few of them have had them attacked by dogs,maybe coyotes but not dogs.

"If dogs keep coming around and harassing then they are open season"



Interesting that you invent a situation that fits with your solution, nobody on this thread is talking about dogs harassing livestock,that is why its posted running coyotes and trespassing.

So now the question you have opened up is " would you shot a dog simply because its running free OR does it have to be running free and attacking sheep?Your post leaves that as a open question.

I would suggest to you that a "loose dog running free" would be a call for a bye law officer to look into.If you are proposing shooting a dog yourself when the dog is simply running free and not a imminent threat to livestock you might need the services of a good lawyer.

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Good advice Gilroy, hope this advice is heeded.

This thread is not about dogs harassing livestock.

My comments are not to defend the actions of those who would allow their dogs to roam freely but to remind folks that there are processes to follow.

Without due grounds which can be proven without a doubt....I'll have a field day with you in court and it will cost you....dearly.