1 Child or Youth suffers gunshot injury each day in Ontario

How the heck can 75% of gun violence incidents be accidental. How can an accident be considered violence.?? The spin doctors should proof read their own spin.

http://globalnews.ca/news/3333517/ev...edium=Facebook

The docs dialogue apart from her study was very anti-gun slant and full of bias....

A response from the CCFR

https://firearmrights.ca/en/misleadi...blic-confused/

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is a town like Listowel urban or rural? What about Elmira?

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According to definition, both would be considered "urban ", Rural is " in general, a rural area or countryside is a geographic area that is located outside towns and cities.[1] The Health Resources and Services Administration of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services defines the word "rural" as encompassing "...all population, housing, and territory not included within an urban area. Whatever is not urban is considered rural."[2]

Typical rural areas have a low population density and small settlements. Agricultural areas are commonly rural, though so are others such as forests. Different countries have varying definitions of "rural" for statistical and administrative purposes.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

The Canadian Paediatric Society (CPS), which on Monday issued updated recommendations for preventing firearm injuries among young people, says 635 children and youth under age 24 died between 2008 and 2012 from accidental and intentional gunshots, including those that were self-inflicted. Ninety-four per cent of victims were male.

Among 15- to 19-year-olds, more than half were suicides, while among 20- to 24-year-old, about the same proportion were homicides. For children under age 15, there were 15 suicides, 10 homicides, seven unintentional deaths and two whose cause was undetermined.

Dr. Katherine Austin, who co-wrote the CPS document, said she was pleased to see the Toronto researchers went beyond firearm mortality statistics and looked at data on injuries.

Over the five-year period, Ontario hospitals treated almost 1,600 young people for gunshot wounds.

"That's a lot," said Austin. "Can you imagine any other consumer product that caused one serious injury a day over a period of five years?"

The CPS position paper says doctors and other health practitioners can play a critical role in preventing firearm injuries and deaths by warning parents about the risks of guns being accessible to youth.

"Every family, rural and urban, should be screened for gun ownership," the document states. "Parents who decide to keep a gun in the home should be counselled to store firearms unloaded, with a trigger lock or in a locked container, and separate from ammunition."

The CPS also urged all levels of government to bring in stricter gun controls.

To reduce the availability of firearms to youth, the organization is calling for several measures, including strategies to curtail illegal importation of firearms into Canada, especially from the U.S., and tighter restrictions on semi-automatic firearms.

Austin said there is a pervasive belief that Canada doesn't have a problem with firearms, primarily because the level of gun deaths in the United States is so "spectacular" in comparison.

"It's like being shorter than (NBA star) Wilt Chamberlain," she said of measuring Canada's firearm death rate against that of its southern neig


The whole wording of the study seems to be to tell a story that then justifies more gun control and the facts are mixed up.

For the gang bangers and their age groups it would have been a lot simpler to give the number of homicides and wrote that most are by handgun.?
For the rural youth and their injuries the study seems to be indicating air guns?
There is no mention in the article I read about aboriginal youth and possible suicides?

When they talk about Canadian born youth,young men there the figures get really skewed as from personal experience a great deal of gang bangers be them Jamaican,Somalian, manage to get killed in gang violence again using handguns in urban centres.

I just finished listening to Dr.Katherin Austin from the Sick Kids Hospital on CBC she suggested air guns even when used lead to loss of limbs and eyes.

But she did not cite any figures for those losses.

The main thrust of the study is that "they want Doctors to question citizens in the emergency department about what types of guns they have in the home"
She also made reference to 12 year olds having access to firearms.

If the authors of this report had educated themselves on the existing Firearms laws,storage,hunting age limits,Provincial laws on reporting, they could probably have saved half the report being written as their questions,requests are already in place.

For example:


Over the five-year period, Ontario hospitals treated almost 1,600 young people for gunshot wounds.

Q. "That's a lot," said Austin. "Can you imagine any other consumer product that caused one serious injury a day over a period of five years?"

A.Knives.

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Swings,slides,skates,hockey sticks,bicycles,trampolines do a heck of a lot more damage than guns,not matter which way you slice it.

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Are you aware of rural communities? If you think that gangs, drugs and criminal activity are absent in rural areas then you need to look into it a lot deeper.

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true that Fox
AFAIK (could be mistaken, but don't think I am), one only need look at insurance rates for different area's. Pound for pound, penny for penny, and all else equal, home owners insurance is often more expensive in what might be considered rural area's. Reason being?
Crime
property loss/damage
aka claims
And the different carriers base those rates based on stats and percentages.

As noted before, to me it's not enough to simply say.
More homes with guns outside urban areas. Ok, fine
More "accidents" outside urban area's. Ok, fine

But then not bothering to dig deeper and look at reasons why that might be.
Drinking, domestic violence, depression (mental health issues), economic issues, such as economically depressed area's, drugs and more.......

Would seem pretty clear to me, someone is spinning, aiming for a conclusion that fits a narrative over and beyond garbage in/garbage out.
Honestly Doc, I did this to myself says the 14 year old mule where there are gang problems. And given this author is a Dr I assume she knows that those with loose lips in such areas often end up worse off................
Its well known many unsuccessful suicide attempts don't get reported........At least not as such...To.

"911 theres been some shots fired in the hood, some kid has been grazed and needs an ambulance".
Accident or gang related?
Am willing to bet good money this author counts that as an "accident".

etc,
etc

I really don't have a problem with the stats, and even to some small degree some of the conclusions, but its so obvious she didn't spend much energy looking any deeper than she wanted.

Why treat the disease when a bandaid will do.

More fake news !!!!

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Originally Posted by jaycee

According to definition, both would be considered "urban ", Rural is " in general, a rural area or countryside is a geographic area that is located outside towns and cities.[1] The Health Resources and Services Administration of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services defines the word "rural" as encompassing "...all population, housing, and territory not included within an urban area. Whatever is not urban is considered rural."[2]

Typical rural areas have a low population density and small settlements. Agricultural areas are commonly rural, though so are others such as forests. Different countries have varying definitions of "rural" for statistical and administrative purposes.

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Ok, so my home has a street with houses on it, they are all 1+ acre properties, we are just down the road from a village, do we associate with that village and are considered Urban or would we be considered rural? How large is the village to be considered urban?

It is great that you pulled out a definition from the web but "what is not urban is rural" does not really help much in this situation. Within city limits cannot define urban vs rural either, the city of Ottawa is a massive expanse that has both urban and rural and all served under the same EMT, Fire and Policing systems as the urban area, that does not define them.

A small town is generally considered rural, a farming town is generally considered rural and I know full well that a lot of bad things can go down in such communities, in many cases more than the next closest big city.

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Originally Posted by JBen

"911 theres been some shots fired in the hood, some kid has been grazed and needs an ambulance".
Accident or gang related?
Am willing to bet good money this author counts that as an "accident".

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The authors of the study didn't choose what to count as an accident. That decision would have been made by the ER doctor who handled the case. The study used the coding assigned in the ER.

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Originally Posted by Fox

Ok, so my home has a street with houses on it, they are all 1+ acre properties, we are just down the road from a village, do we associate with that village and are considered Urban or would we be considered rural? How large is the village to be considered urban?

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The study used an established method, the Rurality Index of Ontario.

Kralj B. Measuring rurality — RIO2008_BASIC: methodology and results. Toronto: Ontario Medical Association; 2009.
http://deslibris.ca/ID/237943