Fed Issue #50 - Canada to buy USED fighter jets........

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Originally Posted by Woodsman

As far as the used jets it's not as bad of thing as some are portraying.
Not as a long time solution but as a stop gap solution.
Uses the same training & logistic stream already in existence.
Will keep the current fleet going for a few more years.
Changing a figher jet platform is not nearly as simple as changing from GM to Ford.
BTW I am a vet.

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How much sense does it make to spend millions on old jets as a "stop-gap",then,spend more money on new equipment later on? Why not make a damn decision,cut to the chase and buy new ones ONCE instead of simply blowing good money on old crap? Only Liberals could come up with such a useless policy to waste more taxpayer dollars. Dithering is the watch word for Liberals. They couldn't make a decision to save their souls unless it was to bring in more unvetted immigrants,approve (in principle) Islamic sharia law,raise taxes at every turn,kowtow to political correctness and special interests,I could go on forever with these idiots. Thank God there's an election coming next year.

It is all about the LIEbral's contempt and I would say even hatred of the military, when you hear Justlin's response to the soldier who lost a limb it moved Justlied to the "human trash" category in my book.:mad::mad::mad: He kind us sums it up where Justlied is WILLING to spend money!
https://www.facebook.com/PatrioticDa...4026853462647/

The jet's will serve us as well as the used subs did (years of repairs and not working, killed a sailor before they even got to Canada, hundreds of millions in repairs but still not working etc. They have had some upgrades but you can upgrade an AMC Pacer or Chevy Chevette too (built about the same time) but remember these are 30+ year old air frames with metal stresses and wear. If the Liebral's goal is to have them sit on the ground and be show pieces for their incompetence then fine, just never put a pilot in them in actual combat. Engine rebuilds, checks and repairs from metal stress, frame repairs, electronics upgrade and the unknowns (think subs that couldn't fire torpedoes for a decade after we got them) and we have a disaster and funerals to expect. Just look at when the Liberal's sent the troops to Afghanistan, jungle camo, light armoured vehicles and no tanks, assigned to Khandahar.... many of the trips down the Highway of Heroes can be directly attributed to their decisions. As for the used jets.... still can't believe the idiocy of it... the whole fiasco is continuing downhill and took this step around the protection of a Quebec company that receives huge grants and then gives their management huge bonuses.... any more Bombardier's success isn't in the air it is in the back rooms and government hand outs.

This used deal also will shut Canada not only out of the F-35 program, which seems to be doing well now it is actually flying, and out of further deals with Boeing, so essentially sitting on grenade after the pin is pulled so you don't see it go off. Justlied and the current Liebral's have made the disasters of the PET (with it's womanizing, scandals, waste and huge gov't policies) era look he is trying to do the even worse to destroy Canada's future! Just look at their also selling off a military tech company to China... but of course the Trudeau foundation got a huge donation .....

Dec 12 , 2012. 'The federal Conservative government has formally pushed "reset" on its search for a new fighter jet'. The jet they cancelled was ...wait for it............ the Lockheed Martin F-35s.......

..... and shall you enlighten us to WHAT they should have done will waiting to see if the F-35 was going to keep changing prices and be a viable plane? They were in the program and it was being developed and built... but there were reports I went back and found that include little gems like ....

"In August 2014 Industry Canada released a report that showed that 32 Canadian companies had received US$587M in contracts for work on the F-35 program"

We can safely say there will be no more contracts for Canada of any significant amount, say half a billion dollar flush!

Yup Canada did not get F-35s that were cancelled by the cons, 3 years later libs in power... now it is their fault we do not have F-35 jets...LOL

What is there, about 36 million people in Canada? If our military were kitted out with the best gear known to man, a small Asian country could still take us armed with sticks. The US could fart and we'd all be dead.

We only really have a military because its a "thing countries do".

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

Yup Canada did not get F-35s that were cancelled by the cons, 3 years later libs in power... now it is their fault we do not have F-35 jets...LOL

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You really can't face reality can you .....


1) As of May 2017 Canada was still making payments $30,000,000 USD to stay IN.....
http://www.janes.com/article/70906/c...n-f-35-partner
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/f-35...-fee-1.4131285


And when it is finally cancelled by the liebrals then it is the hundreds of millions in cancellations and killed jobs that Trudeau is responsible for
http://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/col...anada-grounded

Right now Trudeau is trying to open a competition .....uh ummm .... when in reality for Canada there are two choices.... uhhh ummmm and he uhhhh can't choose one because a Quebec company is threatened .... he must protect that regardless ... uh... so um ahhh..... the idiot that thinks vet's don't deserve support, only millions to terrorists and green projects and that used jets are OK..... why am I wasting my time trying to teach you reality.


Have a good day.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

How much sense does it make to spend millions on old jets as a "stop-gap",then,spend more money on new equipment later on?

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And how long before an order is placed and we receive new jets and they are up & operational?
Far longer than we can wait.
Calls for a new logistics stream. And a complete new training syllabus for pilots and maintenance crews.
This take many years to complete.
The initial wait for the new jets could easily be 5 years.Not nearly as easy as you walking into a car dealership & saying "I'll take that new 2018 model".

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Originally Posted by Woodsman

And how long before an order is placed and we receive new jets and they are up & operational?
Far longer than we can wait.
Calls for a new logistics stream. And a complete new training syllabus for pilots and maintenance crews.
This take many years to complete.
The initial wait for the new jets could easily be 5 years.Not nearly as easy as you walking into a car dealership & saying "I'll take that new 2018 model".

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No but stop-gap measures aren't a solution either. They never have been. In the mid 80's, it was deemed the Sea King helicopters were too small for anti-sub warfare. Liberals cancelled it and then dragged their heels on getting a replacement despite several Sea King crashes. Anyone care to bet the airmen involved weren't related to anyone high up in the Liberal party?

We had a replacement ready jet to go. Then the Liberals cancelled it and wanted to bridge the gap between the CF-18 and the new fighter with the Super Hornet. Seems they flogged the Conservatives over sole sourcing despite doing just that with the Super Hornet. Then Boeing complains to the government about government handouts to Bombardier. When that happens, the Prime Minister decides to take his ball and go home. That is not how the country's national defense is to be treated. I don't see Trudeau lining up to hop in the CF-18 to prove to Canadians that the jet is safe. If history is a teacher of lessons, then the Liberal strategy will be to drag their heels on this matter without making any big decisions. Someone will be paying a price for this with their life.

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Originally Posted by Woodsman

And how long before an order is placed and we receive new jets and they are up & operational?
Far longer than we can wait.
Calls for a new logistics stream. And a complete new training syllabus for pilots and maintenance crews.
This take many years to complete.
The initial wait for the new jets could easily be 5 years.Not nearly as easy as you walking into a car dealership & saying "I'll take that new 2018 model".

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There's too much screwin' around with playing politics with US firms,especially,in light of the current trade dispute going on between Bombardier and Boeing (even though we've won initially,the show ain't over til the fat lady sings). The Americans aren't the only game in town and they're the ones threatening to trash NAFTA. Unless we're legally bound by NAFTA to use American sources (and I'm fairly sure we're not) ,exclusively,French,British and Swedish corporations would fall all over themselves to obtain an order from us with products as good as,if not better than,Boeing or Lockheed-Martin. I would venture to say that any "lead time" would be minimal.