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Is it your position that storing non-restricted firearms in a glass front container is illegal? If so,you've completely misinterpreted what the OP is asking and the way the RCMP website is worded. As long as his firearms are trigger locked or there's a cable or chain through the trigger guards,he can store them in that type of case as illustrated until hell freezes over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Question YES or NO was he first charged..
Seems was correct. I accept your apology! Seems like usual I was correct. Thank you very much for proving it.
Now I realize reading is probably not your strong point. But it [COLOR="#000000"]took him 11 YEARS to have the charges dropped.
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Originally Posted by jaycee
Reading isn't your strong point is it? But I accept your apology just buy me breakfast.
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Originally Posted by dilly
Fortunately, or unfortunately, words like readily, securely, accessible, reasonably, etc are subjective terms which may be, or will be, interpreted by a particular judge. One person's version of secure.....
I've dealt with a particular ministry for long enough to know that the definition of 'secure' has come down to a point where the actual construction of a lock has determined whether charges were laid or not. If you think 'secure' means less than three seconds with a screwdriver to break a lock.......think again.
My two cents.
trigger locks only take a couple seconds to remove.
https://youtu.be/P397UsoyNBc
I read that if you had a bank vault and people broke into your house and drilled it open and stole your firearms, the police would charge you with unsafe storage of firearms.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Then I said this is not true....and it isn’t. Since the stupidity of the Hargreaves case, I think people generally know it doesn’t fly in court. Remember, the OP is asking about a see through display case here anyway.
You have posted in other threads some somewhat “exaggerated” legal interpretations of current laws suggesting a measurable level of paranoia around guns and law enforcement. I think you need to relax, hence the comment regarding a tinfoil hat.
Get it?
Delmer and Jaycee have already posted good info and the upshot is, you can keep guns in a glass fronted cabinet as long as the guns themselves are trigger-locked or disabled by removal of the bolt.
Remember, there are two Criminal Code offences relating to unsafe storage (and I think this is in the NFA link Delmer posted but I'm too lazy to re-read it).
The one people are always playing Internet lawyer for is 86(2), which is storage contrary to regulation. To convict, the Crown has to show that the firearm was stored (or displayed) in a way that contravenes a specific regulation. With respect to the glass-fronted cabinet on its own, the clear breach of regulation would be that it is easily broken into.
The other is 86(1), careless storage. For this, they don't have to show that a firearm is stored in a way that is counter to regulation; they just have to show that it was stored in a way that departs from the standard of care of a reasonable person in the circumstances. The courts deem that firearms are inherently dangerous and that a reasonable person knows this. Hanging a trigger-locked gun in your picture window (as someone suggested tongue-in-cheek above) could easily lead to conviction under 86(2).
I don't believe needing tools is relevant. If someone has seen case law containing that interpretation, please let me know what it is ... I think the distinction would be that if one has to bring tools to the scene for the purpose of breaking in, then the container is not easily broken into. But breaking glass with whatever lies to hand is not going to qualify.
Some food for thought:
1. a man in Alberta was convicted under 86(1) (the reasonable care standard) after storing his guns in a bedroom closet secured by a padlock. The particular closet and padlock were deemed too flimsy to qualify as reasonable care, without concern for the regulatory standard of "easily broken into."
2. a woman in Saskatchewan was convicted (can't remember which section) after storing a rifle overnight in a locked car, on the reasoning that car windows are easily broken (and tempered glass is much harder to break than the ordinary glass in a glass cabinet).
You have been asleep for a decade havent you.
Mike Hargreaves, ring a bell??
He had a bank vault it took thieves 3 days to cut through while he was away he was charged with UNSAFE STORAGE. He lost his guns and spent 11 years fighting in court. His guns were destroyed.
Apology accepted
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Originally Posted by dilly
Mike Hargreaves, a former Toronto-area gun-safety instructor and collector. Over the Christmas holidays in 2003, while Mr. Hargreaves was visiting his son in Florida, thieves worked to open the 770 kilogram concrete and steel safe he had had installed in his north Toronto apartment. For nearly two days, burglars used sledgehammers and blowtorches to open the vault, before they could make off with 35 high-powered handguns and rifles worth more than $40,000.
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Originally Posted by dilly
You gotta love YouTube,eh? There's everything from defeating gun locks to Timothy McVeigh building removal techniques. What next? LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite