Advice needed

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Originally Posted by Gun Nut

No, I leave the running deer to my bro he seems to of figured out the lead on them. I prefer my deer standing still or on a nice slow walk. In my youth I once shot at a trio of bounding deer moving through a slash at the bottom of a ridge, I manage to empty the magazine on a .303 Enfield, all 10 rounds. Never cut hair. I concluded from that I was never ever likely to shoot a deer unless they slowed down a might. The first deer I took, was about 75 yards out, from a stand I was on, moving in a walk along the middle of a ridge. Place the cross-hairs of the .243 just behind its elbow joint and squeeze off a round. Actually I've never found bait piles very useful, and for along time I didn't realize it was legal to bait them. It's more useful to scout out the terrain and set up between where they bed and where they seek out natural foods and water.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

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So you admit to not having the skills to shoot running deer, and then bash the guys that do, or the guns they use.

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

So you admit to not having the skills to shoot running deer, and then bash the guys that do, or the guns they use.

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apparently gun nut is just a perfect model hunter. We should all be bowing to him. This thread got stupid with his post!

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

So you admit to not having the skills to shoot running deer, and then bash the guys that do, or the guns they use.

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I think Gun Nut is simply being honest and frankly I am in the same boat as him when it comes to hitting a running deer. When I hunted over dogs I did not have a scope on my old 742 and did not get much practice trying to hit a running deer as the camp did not manage to push any number of deer on that 800 acre lot, in which event I probably had no business even trying to hunt this way,I had not practiced on a target as Trimmer has eluded to.

Now I can tell you that even listening to the hounds running deer with another local gang, the Numerous shoots fired at the deer by numbers of hunters indicates to me
there are plenty of hunters out there who were just like me.

I then got my own place, I sit over a bait pile, food plot that Rick eludes to and kill my standing deer with my now scoped rifle.

From my experience with hunting gangs over the past 35 years I would say that one or two hunters out of ten would be proficient in hitting a rolling tire target mentioned by Trimmer, MAYBE there are other gangs out there that have real good markspeople in them with higher number of great shooters but IMHO I doubt it.

I take it the OP is shooting both eyes open and swinging at moving game here. That's the only scenario where I would see a cross-eye dominance issue. I too am cross eye dominant (shoot right but left eye is dominant) and it only becomes an issue for me with clay targets and birds. I get around it with tape on the left side that mutes the eye just as I mount the gun.

To the OP...if you have a favourite gun, have you tried a red-dot style optic mounted down the barrel? I have used these (Aimpont/EoTech) and they let me shoot eyes open over a rifle with no cross dominance issues. I have found that there is no issue with standing shots and cross eye dominance as I just look through the scope with my right eye and the left is closed.

Forgive me if the eyesight in your right eye is such that it is not an option to use it for sighting.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

I think Gun Nut is simply being honest and frankly I am in the same boat as him when it comes to hitting a running deer. When I hunted over dogs I did not have a scope on my old 742 and did not get much practice trying to hit a running deer as the camp did not manage to push any number of deer on that 800 acre lot, in which event I probably had no business even trying to hunt this way,I had not practiced on a target as Trimmer has eluded to.

Now I can tell you that even listening to the hounds running deer with another local gang, the Numerous shoots fired at the deer by numbers of hunters indicates to me
there are plenty of hunters out there who were just like me.

I then got my own place, I sit over a bait pile, food plot that Rick eludes to and kill my standing deer with my now scoped rifle.

From my experience with hunting gangs over the past 35 years I would say that one or two hunters out of ten would be proficient in hitting a rolling tire target mentioned by Trimmer, MAYBE there are other gangs out there that have real good markspeople in them with higher number of great shooters but IMHO I doubt it.

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Shooting running yotes all winter keeps me in practise.....

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

Shooting running yotes all winter keeps me in practise.....

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Best type of practice there is , that along with shooting jack rabbits when there was plenty of them around

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

I think Gun Nut is simply being honest and frankly I am in the same boat as him when it comes to hitting a running deer. When I hunted over dogs I did not have a scope on my old 742 and did not get much practice trying to hit a running deer as the camp did not manage to push any number of deer on that 800 acre lot, in which event I probably had no business even trying to hunt this way,I had not practiced on a target as Trimmer has eluded to.

Now I can tell you that even listening to the hounds running deer with another local gang, the Numerous shoots fired at the deer by numbers of hunters indicates to me
there are plenty of hunters out there who were just like me.

I then got my own place, I sit over a bait pile, food plot that Rick eludes to and kill my standing deer with my now scoped rifle.

From my experience with hunting gangs over the past 35 years I would say that one or two hunters out of ten would be proficient in hitting a rolling tire target mentioned by Trimmer, MAYBE there are other gangs out there that have real good markspeople in them with higher number of great shooters but IMHO I doubt it.

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What we used to do as kids,now,is a fond distant memory. I can no longer use iron sights well,whether it be with running targets or otherwise unless shooting with both eyes open. I,too,am quite content with setting up a ground blind on a small hill overlooking a pasture or on a mountain side overlooking a wooded valley and letting my scoped rifle do the work. Alas,time marches on.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

What we used to do as kids,now,is a fond distant memory. I can no longer use iron sights well,whether it be with running targets or otherwise unless shooting with both eyes open. I,too,am quite content with setting up a ground blind on a small hill overlooking a pasture or on a mountain side overlooking a wooded valley and letting my scoped rifle do the work. Alas,time marches on.

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Isn't shooting with both eyes ope, the way it should be done ?
By closing one eye, you are limiting yourself and cutting off 50 percent of your vision and depth perception
Myself, I always shoot with both eyes open even when shooting a scoped rifle , this was taught to me way back in my late teens, by our shooting instructor in High School Cadet Program, rifle /shotgun and pistol, all with both eyes open.
However there are some that admittedly because of a malady of one type or another, can not do this.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

I think Gun Nut is simply being honest and frankly I am in the same boat as him when it comes to hitting a running deer. When I hunted over dogs I did not have a scope on my old 742 and did not get much practice trying to hit a running deer as the camp did not manage to push any number of deer on that 800 acre lot, in which event I probably had no business even trying to hunt this way,I had not practiced on a target as Trimmer has eluded to.

Now I can tell you that even listening to the hounds running deer with another local gang, the Numerous shoots fired at the deer by numbers of hunters indicates to me
there are plenty of hunters out there who were just like me.

I then got my own place, I sit over a bait pile, food plot that Rick eludes to and kill my standing deer with my now scoped rifle.

From my experience with hunting gangs over the past 35 years I would say that one or two hunters out of ten would be proficient in hitting a rolling tire target mentioned by Trimmer, MAYBE there are other gangs out there that have real good markspeople in them with higher number of great shooters but IMHO I doubt it.

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Problem is basicly here in North America we practice to hit a bullseye on a target stand that is standing still. Over seas they practice for the type of shooting they need to do. They can hit still targets because they practice that, they also can hit moving targets because they "HAVE TO" practice that to pass their Hunting test and get licenced.

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Originally Posted by jaycee

Isn't shooting with both eyes ope, the way it should be done ?
By closing one eye, you are limiting yourself and cutting off 50 percent of your vision and depth perception
Myself, I always shoot with both eyes open even when shooting a scoped rifle , this was taught to me way back in my late teens, by our shooting instructor in High School Cadet Program, rifle /shotgun and pistol, all with both eyes open.
However there are some that admittedly because of a malady of one type or another, can not do this.

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Both eyes open helps find and track game, but squeezing the trigger and closing the non-aiming eye at the moment of the shot is a very good technique. The higher the power on the scope the better this works. With a 0X or 4X scope both eyes open on the shot, but with say a 24X scope you close the eye at the moment of the shot and reopen it. Works even better if your cross eye dominant. Your "good" eye can follow the game and your other eye only has to line up the shot for a split second.