Gun Ban Ruled Out!

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Originally Posted by welsh

The report does not actually rule anything out, but I think Tony is right. The likelihood that the Liberals will promise a ban looks pretty remote right now.

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Maybe I missed it, but did the report make reference to providing the general public with firearm education? Did it mention anything about adding firearm education to the public education curriculum. If it didn't, it actually ruled something out. If are youth aren't being provided with firearm education within the public education system. Guess where they are going to get it? On the street from gang members and gun traffickers. Therein lies the problem. Until our society gets pass attempts to suppress the use of firearms. Firearms are going to remain a problem. Attempting to ban firearms, borders on the brink of Neanderthal, when you stop and consider you have a neighibour to the south that has one of the greatest firearm arsenal in the world, and we fundamentally have an open border with them, Our custom agency can't begin to stop the ebb and flow of arms across that border. So we had better start learning how to live with the presence firearm, or build a border wall, and possibly unload and search ever tractor-trailer load of goods that cross from the U.S. into Canada.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

The firearms used in most of the high-profile shootings in Canada were handguns or assault rifles that were restricted or fell just outside the restricted category. Banning assault rifles and handguns will be of little consequence to hunters as with a few exceptions most of the firearms are already "banned" for hunting. Even if future legislation captured a few non-restricted they could be easily replaced in the field with firearms better suited to the task.

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Originally Posted by Gun Nut

If are youth aren't being provided with firearm education within the public education system. Guess where they are going to get it? On the street from gang members and gun traffickers. Therein lies the problem.

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Um, no.

It's not accurate to say our youth are seeing guns all over the place on the street. Nor will firearms education have any effect on gang violence.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

It would help us hunters because the public will want action of some kind and the target is not our hunting firearms.If others want to justify having the targeted guns let them do so and explain why they need handguns and semi auto assault rifles.

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Are you aware of what an assault rifle is?

Are you aware of what shooting sports are?

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Don't forget that yes a full auto gun was used in a mass shooting in Canada: At 9:45 a.m., Lortie entered the Parliament Building through a side door located on Grande-Allée. He was dressed in combat fatigues and armed with two C-1 submachine guns, an Inglis pistol, a duffel bag containing four hundred rounds of 9mm NATO ammunition,

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A full auto was, an AR-15 platform never has.

There have been bolt action rifles, shotguns, lever action rifles, all used in major shootings in Canada yet the AR-15 is the big bad dangerous rifle.

Gilroy should remember that the majority of domestic violence cases use what is on hand to commit murder, that being their hands, not an "assault rifle", whatever that is.

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Originally Posted by welsh

Um, no.

It's not accurate to say our youth are seeing guns all over the place on the street. Nor will firearms education have any effect on gang violence.

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No but they are seeing them in movies and tv show. Handguns that destroy tanks with one shot, rifles that shoot bullets that blow up people and cars.

If Hollywood is where people learn about firearms, it's no wonder they are terrified of them.

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Originally Posted by welsh

Um, no.

It's not accurate to say our youth are seeing guns all over the place on the street. Nor will firearms education have any effect on gang violence.

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It may not be totally accurate to say our youth are not seeing guns all over the place. However leaving them blissfully in ignorance about firearms and the social responsibility of firearm ownership, leaves them open to being improperly introduced to firearms and the responsible use of them. Here the point if it was necessary to provide our youth with sex education for fear they might find themselves in trouble without such knowledge, or getting and out behind the barn approach to sex. It would seem it should be an equal priority to have them properly introduced firearm for the same reason. Societal ignorance of firearms is what drives the continual appetite to suppress them. People fear that of which they tend to have little knowledge. For the most part, the knowledge of firearms appears to have been lost in the transition from rural life to urbanization. Don't you find it strange, how it is that the larger urban centers have ended up being plagued with firearm problems?

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut.

I hope your were kidding with those last two lines in your statement. There are many. many, reasons that large cities have a gun problem . I do not think that the knowledge difference, of and about guns, between rural and urban settings is one of them.

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Originally Posted by Gun Nut

... leaving them blissfully in ignorance about firearms and the social responsibility of firearm ownership, leaves them open to being improperly introduced to firearms and the responsible use of them.

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People don't become involved in gang violence out of a lack of firearms safety training.

The idea that we can fix gang violence by telling people to be socially responsible is ... not good.

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Originally Posted by Gun Nut

Don't you find it strange, how it is that the larger urban centers have ended up being plagued with firearm problems?

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No. In fact, the per capita rate of violence and of firearms violence is higher outside our largest cities.

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Welsh, people do not want to hear that rural people are more violent than urban folks. You will upset them with facts. They are more comfortable with their preconceived notions. City bad- rural good.