MNRF cuts.

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Originally Posted by Ontariofarmer

I think the main point is taxpayers are sick of funding rich salary’s and pensions for government employees
My only point was government pensions are much better than one of the better private sector pensions

I have no pension long hours and greater risk as as self employed person and have to fund these government pensions and sunshine lists

Many government employees do a fine job but the unions protect the ones that do not

The result is unsustainable debt and more taxes As far as MNFR cuts. We all like services but if we cannot afford them they need to be cut or stream lined or soon the province will be like Greece - bankrupt



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Ontario already is functionally and legally bankrupt and has been for many years thanks to McGuinty/Wynne et al. No matter which way you try,you can't get blood from a stone.

It amazes me just how out of touch with reality so many people are. That, despite all that known about the “middle class”, the growing wealth gap. The stark future they face, and so much more.

Are people in PS overpaid? Quite likely yes. I don’t know how anyone can argue otherwise. However have fun trying to drill down into the finest details to answer where and who.

No matter how it’s sliced or diced, their compensation ( includes pay, benefits, vacation time etc) is paid for by tax payers. Given numbers, basic math, anyone can figure out that the burden falls on the largest group. The MC and lower Middle Class.

In effect, people who are relatively well off, are robbing those who face stark futures.

People seriously need to come to grips with income in Canada. Where the mean duo is 75k

So many must live in fantasy land thinking a big chunk of the population makes 100k or even 80k before benefits

News flash.
If you gross 87,000 your in the top 10%

i defy anyone for example to justify why someone that grosses say 80k, also has their future secured by the lower MC. People that are screwed...

On topic.

No I don’t like Fords cuts to the MNRF. Though would appear much has been spun by the left ( referring to forest fire budget).

Here’s another truth.
Cuts are needed. Have fun cutting the budgets of those with Um, militant and mercenary Unions.......

So, ultimately the low hanging fruit, defensless peons pays the prices...

Do the unions and their minions care that once again people who aren’t as well off pay the price?

Proof is in the pudding

Took me a couple minutes to find one decent report that sort of takes an “overview”.

So many gripe about the 1%...reality

It’s the top 20% that are the problem, and where the greed is

When talking heads talk about the eroding middle class ( let’s ignore that a great many people identify as MC when they aren’t). What they are really talking about is wealth accumulation ( just like griping about the 1%). But it’s the growing wealth gap between the haves and have nots

The 20%......
and that is one heck of a lot public servants. Screwing over people who...well it’s just ugly

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ticle36383159/

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Ontario already is functionally and legally bankrupt and has been for many years thanks to McGuinty/Wynne et al. No matter which way you try,you can't get blood from a stone.

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Originally Posted by LoR

It amazes me just how out of touch with reality so many people are. That, despite all that known about the “middle class”, the growing wealth gap. The stark future they face, and so much more.

Are people in PS overpaid? Quite likely yes. I don’t know how anyone can argue otherwise. However have fun trying to drill down into the finest details to answer where and who.

No matter how it’s sliced or diced, their compensation ( includes pay, benefits, vacation time etc) is paid for by tax payers. Given numbers, basic math, anyone can figure out that the burden falls on the largest group. The MC and lower Middle Class.

In effect, people who are relatively well off, are robbing those who face stark futures.

People seriously need to come to grips with income in Canada. Where the mean duo is 75k

So many must live in fantasy land thinking a big chunk of the population makes 100k or even 80k before benefits

News flash.
If you gross 87,000 your in the top 10%

i defy anyone for example to justify why someone that grosses say 80k, also has their future secured by the lower MC. People that are screwed...

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Please define, who you are speaking about when you say relatively well off, in this statement, "In effect, people who are relatively well off, are robbing those who face stark futures." and how are they robbing people. The tax brackets are insane right now, most people making a decent income are paying 60% taxes on every extra dollar they earn. Shall we take (steal) 80%? 90%? 100%? I do not agree with taxing the wealthy a stupid amount of tax because it doesn't work ... they will simply move, or not work that extra hour. If you don't incentivize people, you end up with a social government, and ask Venezuela how that is going for them.

People envisage the wealthy as some sort of brat that inherited everything ... they don't see the person that studied hard, worked day and night, paid their dues (taxes included) and just happened to make a good business or career of what they do. So, what right do we have to take (steal) money from those that worked hard to get where they are?

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Please define, who you are speaking about when you say relatively well off, in this statement, "In effect, people who are relatively well off, are robbing those who face stark futures." and how are they robbing people. The tax brackets are insane right now, most people making a decent income are paying 60% taxes on every extra dollar they earn. Shall we take (steal) 80%? 90%? 100%? I do not agree with taxing the wealthy a stupid amount of tax because it doesn't work ... they will simply move, or not work that extra hour. If you don't incentivize people, you end up with a social government, and ask Venezuela how that is going for them.

People envisage the wealthy as some sort of brat that inherited everything ... they don't see the person that studied hard, worked day and night, paid their dues (taxes included) and just happened to make a good business or career of what they do. So, what right do we have to take (steal) money from those that worked hard to get where they are?

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^^^^^^^^^THIS!!^^^^^^^^

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In effect, people who are relatively well off, are robbing those who face stark futures.

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Please define, who you are speaking about when you say relatively well off, in this statement, "In effect, people who are relatively well off, are robbing those who face stark futures." and how are they robbing people. The tax brackets are insane right now, most people making a decent income are paying 60% taxes on every extra dollar they earn. Shall we take (steal) 80%? 90%? 100%? I do not agree with taxing the wealthy a stupid amount of tax because it doesn't work ... they will simply move, or not work that extra hour. If you don't incentivize people, you end up with a social government, and ask Venezuela how that is going for them.

People envisage the wealthy as some sort of brat that inherited everything ... they don't see the person that studied hard, worked day and night, paid their dues (taxes included) and just happened to make a good business or career of what they do. So, what right do we have to take (steal) money from those that worked hard to get where they are?

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^^^^^^^^^THIS!!^^^^^^^^

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I just filed my tax return and last year I paid >160K in tax, plus I employ people, plus the company i own pays income tax on corporate profits, remits HST on everything we do, matches CPP contributions, and more than matches EI contributions. Sure I am wealthy but how exactly i am creating a stark future by employing people (who earn an average of 80K+) and contributing a whack of $$$ while i am at it? The way i see it is that i am massively subsidizing the future.

If I did not have kids and grand children in the area I would be out of Ontario and probably out of Canada.

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Originally Posted by Species8472

I just filed my tax return and last year I paid >160K in tax, plus I employ people, plus the company i own pays income tax on corporate profits, remits HST on everything we do, matches CPP contributions, and more than matches EI contributions. Sure I am wealthy but how exactly i am creating a stark future by employing people (who earn an average of 80K+) and contributing a whack of $$$ while i am at it? The way i see it is that i am massively subsidizing the future.

If I did not have kids and grand children in the area I would be out of Ontario and probably out of Canada.

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[emoji106] 100% agree.

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Originally Posted by MarkB

Please define, who you are speaking about when you say relatively well off, in this statement, "In effect, people who are relatively well off, are robbing those who face stark futures." and how are they robbing people. The tax brackets are insane right now, most people making a decent income are paying 60% taxes on every extra dollar they earn. Shall we take (steal) 80%? 90%? 100%? I do not agree with taxing the wealthy a stupid amount of tax because it doesn't work ... they will simply move, or not work that extra hour. If you don't incentivize people, you end up with a social government, and ask Venezuela how that is going for them.

People envisage the wealthy as some sort of brat that inherited everything ... they don't see the person that studied hard, worked day and night, paid their dues (taxes included) and just happened to make a good business or career of what they do. So, what right do we have to take (steal) money from those that worked hard to get where they are?

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^^^^^^^^ what he said^^^^^^^^

If someone gets off their arse and starts a business and then becomes successful, no one has any right what-so-ever to demand a slice of that pie, regardless however much they earn.