Misdialed 911 call leads RCMP to home with 100 unsecured guns

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

Gee , I guess the guy who forgot his trigger lock keys a couple of years ago at hunt camp should have known that. It took him quite awhile with a wide range of tools. Eventually he drilled it out. It was a Masterlock if anyone wants to know.

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Masterlock's can easily be removed with a screwdriver. Bin there done that with one I loaned out and he lost the key...

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Originally Posted by jaycee

It's easily done with the ones you buy at most gun shops and CTC. these are made by Master Lock., over the years I have done a few at the club when the owners either forgot or misplaced their key.
Also there seems to be only 5 series of different keys, if you have one of each series of locks, you are set to open any of them with the keys you have.
When you have a lock off the gun, take it apart and remove the rubber pieces, you can soon figure it out by looking at the ratchet bar part and what makes it work hold , opposite the keyed end. hint [ it's the little springy ratchet bar]

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Yep. That's how we did it a couple of weeks ago at our gun club.

Are you not allowed by law to have a firearm readily available in rural areas. Theres proly more to the story, but don't for one second think the police are on your side if you own firearms, they most often are not. Many licenced firearms owner have been charged with unsafe storage, when they have met the storage requirements. If I remember the correct name, High river Alberta that had flooding a couple years back. Police kicking in the doors of evacuated locked houses and stealing firearms from lawful owners. Any police knocks on my door, they can produce a warrant, otherwise I close the door no entry. Obviously this old boy allowed entry and will learn the hard way they are not firearm friendly....

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

Are you not allowed by law to have a firearm readily available in rural areas.

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Beg to differ...

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5 (1) An individual may store a non-restricted firearm only if

(a) it is unloaded;

(b) it is

(i) rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device,

(ii) rendered inoperable by the removal of the bolt or bolt-carrier, or

(iii) stored in a container, receptacle or room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into; and

(c) it is not readily accessible to ammunition, unless the ammunition is stored, together with or separately from the firearm, in a container or receptacle that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into.

(2) Paragraph (1)(b) does not apply to any individual who stores a non-restricted firearm temporarily if the individual reasonably requires it for the control of predators or other animals in a place where it may be discharged in accordance with all applicable Acts of Parliament and of the legislature of a province, regulations made under such Acts, and municipal by-laws.

(3) Paragraphs (1)(b) and (c) do not apply to an individual who stores a non-restricted firearm in a location that is in a remote wilderness area that is not subject to any visible or otherwise reasonably ascertainable use incompatible with hunting.

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(3) Paragraphs (1)(b) and (c) do not apply to an individual who stores a non-restricted firearm in a location that is in a remote wilderness area that is not subject to any visible or otherwise reasonably ascertainable use incompatible with hunting.

This is the one that creates a bit of confusion for me? Has this ever been defined in a court of law? Downtown Ottawa may not be remote wilderness, but what about 40 miles northeast of the Soo at my cabin that is surrounded by bush? I've got bears that regularly visit. Got pictures of yotes prowling at night looking for a meal.
Do I consider it remote wilderness? No, the road is at the end of my driveway. But who gets to define that little tidbit?

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Originally Posted by Bushmoose

(3) Paragraphs (1)(b) and (c) do not apply to an individual who stores a non-restricted firearm in a location that is in a remote wilderness area that is not subject to any visible or otherwise reasonably ascertainable use incompatible with hunting.

This is the one that creates a bit of confusion for me? Has this ever been defined in a court of law? Downtown Ottawa may not be remote wilderness, but what about 40 miles northeast of the Soo at my cabin that is surrounded by bush? I've got bears that regularly visit. Got pictures of yotes prowling at night looking for a meal.
Do I consider it remote wilderness? No, the road is at the end of my driveway. But who gets to define that little tidbit?

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You would likely fall under sub (2), exception...
Predator control.....

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Originally Posted by Bushmoose

(3) Paragraphs (1)(b) and (c) do not apply to an individual who stores a non-restricted firearm in a location that is in a remote wilderness area that is not subject to any visible or otherwise reasonably ascertainable use incompatible with hunting.

This is the one that creates a bit of confusion for me? Has this ever been defined in a court of law? Downtown Ottawa may not be remote wilderness, but what about 40 miles northeast of the Soo at my cabin that is surrounded by bush? I've got bears that regularly visit. Got pictures of yotes prowling at night looking for a meal.
Do I consider it remote wilderness? No, the road is at the end of my driveway. But who gets to define that little tidbit?

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

You would likely fall under sub (2), exception...
Predator control.....

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He is also remote in that the bear can get through the door before 911 does him much good.

(3) Paragraphs (1)(b) and (c) do not apply to an individual who stores a non-restricted firearm in a location that is in a remote wilderness area that is not subject to any visible or otherwise reasonably ascertainable use incompatible with hunting.

If he can sit on his property and legally hunt it's "Remote enough".

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Originally Posted by Snowwalker

He is also remote in that the bear can get through the door before 911 does him much good.

(3) Paragraphs (1)(b) and (c) do not apply to an individual who stores a non-restricted firearm in a location that is in a remote wilderness area that is not subject to any visible or otherwise reasonably ascertainable use incompatible with hunting.

If he can sit on his property and legally hunt it's "Remote enough".

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Remote wilderness area, is open for interpretation....sub(2) removes the need for that interpretation !! Either way, there wouldn’t be a concern..
A landowner in any rural area can sit on his property and hunt, as you put it, but it is by no means remote wilderness area....however, a farmer just outside of a city that is having problems with fox or yotes getting his chickens, would fall under sub(2) exceptions. That is the intent of the legislation.

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Originally Posted by Snowwalker

He is also remote in that the bear can get through the door before 911 does him much good.

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I will guarantee, without a doubt, 911 would not be notified. ;) SSS

No one seems to have any problem with the RCMP responding to the call after being told it was unnecessary and then requesting entry to the home, for what reason? He should have told them thanks, but no, have a nice day.