Gun Safe Question

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Originally Posted by Bluebulldog

12 guns, value at an average of $700 per. Value at $8400 (low end).

Actual "safes" like the liberty not only are extremely difficult to break into, but carry a fire rating for higher than most of the ULC Rated products in your house.

Sure, if a thief wanted to get my guns,he could round up 5 of his friends, a jackhammer to break the concrete slab my safe is lagged into from inside, and then horse it up the full flight of stairs and eventually out front to a waiting pickup truck, all while my neighbors, many of whom are retired watch closely....

Or they could just go alone with a crow bar and a 2lb ball been hammer to a house that bought the cheap Stack-On.....

Stack-On metal box $200 Liberty Safe $700.

I wonder how many guns that were nabbed in the High River fiasco were stored in proper safes?....:confused:

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4 1/2" Grinder makes quick work of must safe walls. Once the steel side is open, even the cement breaks up easy.

Most times people do not install the safe correctly.

The door is the strongest part, but if you leave the weak sides and top exposed.

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Originally Posted by Snowwalker

4 1/2" Grinder makes quick work of must safe walls. Once the steel side is open, even the cement breaks up easy.

Most times people do not install the safe correctly.

The door is the strongest part, but if you leave the weak sides and top exposed.

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To be fair. Mines in a recess built into the wall....but fair point.

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Originally Posted by gbk

My 2 cents are-any legal safe(TSC,Canadian Tire etc)is good for being legal.Any fancy safe costs a whole lot more with no real benefit.
Maybe harder to break into or drag it away............. but if someone wants to steal it,break into it-they will do it.
Now-for the price difference ,there are so many things in life to be spent on.................

For really expensive and fancy rifles i can see the"want"factor.

Now again,this is just my 2 cents.To each their own.

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A standard stack on safe can be breached in about 15 seconds with 2 quick pops of a ram set. A good quality safe is going to take a heck of a lot longer.

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Originally Posted by Bluebulldog

12 guns, value at an average of $700 per. Value at $8400 (low end).

Actual "safes" like the liberty not only are extremely difficult to break into, but carry a fire rating for higher than most of the ULC Rated products in your house.

Sure, if a thief wanted to get my guns,he could round up 5 of his friends, a jackhammer to break the concrete slab my safe is lagged into from inside, and then horse it up the full flight of stairs and eventually out front to a waiting pickup truck, all while my neighbors, many of whom are retired watch closely....

Or they could just go alone with a crow bar and a 2lb ball been hammer to a house that bought the cheap Stack-On.....

Stack-On metal box $200 Liberty Safe $700.

I wonder how many guns that were nabbed in the High River fiasco were stored in proper safes?....:confused:

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There was an incident in Toronto a few years ago where the thieves spent a week breaking into a mans gun vault while he and family were vacationing.
A lot of guns were stolen and where were his neighbors??? they didn't know a thing till the owner returned, I believe HE was charged.
Thieves will get into anything and steal whatever and however they want.
They crash through buildings and steal ATM'S , so a vault , big and heavy just takes a little longer

If someone is willing to break into your house to steal your guns, that's what insurance is for. Don't see the value or need for a heavy expensive safe when I pay my insurance.

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Originally Posted by jaycee

There was an incident in Toronto a few years ago where the thieves spent a week breaking into a mans gun vault while he and family were vacationing.
A lot of guns were stolen and where were his neighbors??? they didn't know a thing till the owner returned, I believe HE was charged.
Thieves will get into anything and steal whatever and however they want.
They crash through buildings and steal ATM'S , so a vault , big and heavy just takes a little longer

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Yes...Toronto....where people go about their business, don't say hello to oncoming strangers on the sidewalk, and spend decades not knowing their neighbors....

My neighbors message me when a delivery van without a label pulls into the drive. ( I live in a subdivision well outside the city, and it's a dead end. The only traffic on our street is people who are supposed to be there. This was factored in when buying).

Of course, my point isn't that a safe isn't foolproof, or can't be defeated eventually. It's that a properly installed, rated safe is enough of a deterrent that a thug looking to score someones guns will likely seek more opportune targets.

If you want to stick your guns in a cheap Stack-On box, have at it, but the notion of any real deterrent is an illusion. ( Before I could afford it, I kept mine in them too).

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Originally Posted by Bluebulldog

Yes...Toronto....where people go about their business, don't say hello to oncoming strangers on the sidewalk, and spend decades not knowing their neighbors....

My neighbors message me when a delivery van without a label pulls into the drive. ( I live in a subdivision well outside the city, and it's a dead end. The only traffic on our street is people who are supposed to be there. This was factored in when buying).

Of course, my point isn't that a safe is foolproof, or can't be defeated eventually. It's that a properly installed, rated safe is enough of a deterrent that a thug looking to score someones guns will likely seek more opportune targets.

If you want to stick your guns in a cheap Stack-On box, have at it, but the notion of any real deterrent is an illusion. ( Before I could afford it, I kept mine in them too).

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my stack on is to meet the legal storage requirements not a threat deterrent. Once they are in my house they will get whatever they want anyway. Like said above that is what insurance is for. Having said that, I don't advertise that I have guns. I figure thieves looking for guns will go to the neighbours house with all the gun/hunting related stickers all over the back of his jacked up pickup. So dumb neighbours are good for some things.

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Originally Posted by FishHog

my stack on is to meet the legal storage requirements not a threat deterrent. Once they are in my house they will get whatever they want anyway. Like said above that is what insurance is for. Having said that, I don't advertise that I have guns. I figure thieves looking for guns will go to the neighbours house with all the gun/hunting related stickers all over the back of his jacked up pickup. So dumb neighbours are good for some things.

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Right?!

Common tactic? Hang around outside gun clubs and ranges, and tail the individuals home....

Or just follow the guy with the Remington, Benelli, or Winchester stickers in the back window.

My safe has 4 legs and big teeth. Unless someone's willing to shoot my dog, I have zero worries of myguns being stolen...lol

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Originally Posted by jaycee

There was an incident in Toronto a few years ago where the thieves spent a week breaking into a mans gun vault while he and family were vacationing.
A lot of guns were stolen and where were his neighbors??? they didn't know a thing till the owner returned, I believe HE was charged.
Thieves will get into anything and steal whatever and however they want.
They crash through buildings and steal ATM'S , so a vault , big and heavy just takes a little longer

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if I recall correctly, the thieves had break through a concrete floor to get at the safe, and the safe was of very high quality. The cops laid charges for unsafe storage. This case really highlighted the anti-gun stance of the PD, city, and prosecutors office. In the end, common sense prevailed but not without causing the gun owner a ton of grief.