30-30 vs 308 vs 30-06 - Cast Iron Skillets

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

I gave you what you asked for, an example. Your return comment shouts sore loser...:thumbup:

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Sore loser, Wtf. You haven’t gave me a better example. The browsing blr. In your opinion. That’s better. Not to me


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Keep it clean. You don't need the name calling.

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Originally Posted by Goosesniper

Can someone give me an example of a better bush gun than a 3030. I always bring it along on deer hunts. If I’m sitting in a stand my scoped 308 Is the go to rifle. If we decide to push. It’s the 3030. It has its place. It’s taken down plenty of very large moose over the years. It has its place and certainly not a useless rifle. It’s short. It goes bang. And it’s just an awesome rifle. Sure there are rifles that can shoot further with more accuracy. When moose hunting. Distance has never been an obstacle. All kills have been within 150 yards. It’s a killer. No doubt. And I don’t vomit in my mouth when I pick it up.


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Agree 100%. Choice is a great thing. I carry a lever gun (either the 30-30 or the 45-70) at least a couple of days every gun season. If I know I'll be in close cover for the day and 75 yards is a long shot, I'll take one of the short handy rifles.

I've shot a handful of deer with a 30-30 and they've all been short, easy tracking jobs. They kill very well within their range.

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I dont care what you carry, You just better know how to operate and be proficient with it.

Goose, What gun are you talking about? Canadaman lists a rifle, You just listed one cartridge.


I remember when I was young I shot at an old frying pan in a scrap pile with my .22 about 20 yards away. Heard it hit the scrap car I was leaning on. It ricocheted back. That was a good learning experience, Got lucky that day.

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Originally Posted by SongDog

I dont care what you carry, You just better know how to operate and be proficient with it.

Goose, What gun are you talking about? Canadaman lists a rifle, You just listed one cartridge.


I remember when I was young I shot at an old frying pan in a scrap pile with my .22 about 20 yards away. Heard it hit the scrap car I was leaning on. It ricocheted back. That was a good learning experience, Got lucky that day.

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I’m talking about my win model 94 in 3030. Is as good as any other rifle Or even more versatile in the thick brush because if it’s small size. Don’t have to worry about
A clip.



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I have nothing against the .30-30 it’s the lever action that don’t work for me. When I need a short light handy rifle, I take out my Kimber Hunter in .308. I don’t buy a rifle if it doesn’t have a detachable magazine. Haha. :scream: It’s whatever works for you.

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Originally Posted by Goosesniper

Can someone give me an example of a better bush gun than a 3030. I always bring it along on deer hunts. If I’m sitting in a stand my scoped 308 Is the go to rifle. If we decide to push. It’s the 3030. It has its place. It’s taken down plenty of very large moose over the years. It has its place and certainly not a useless rifle. It’s short. It goes bang. And it’s just an awesome rifle. Sure there are rifles that can shoot further with more accuracy. When moose hunting. Distance has never been an obstacle. All kills have been within 150 yards. It’s a killer. No doubt. And I don’t vomit in my mouth when I pick it up.


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If I had to pick "the best" brush gun - the ruger 44 mag carbine would be near the top of the list.
Behind that the ruger 94/44 - although it's built with junky cheap parts compared to the 44 auto.
So behind the above two which I don't own is the M94 44mag trapper - nice and light but really limited to about 100 yards.
The m94 carbines in any of the .44mag/.30-30/.32spl are all about the same. The big bores are pretty nice too - but the weight and balance isn't as nice.
So when we're talking nice brush guns - I think it is the model of rifle we are really discussing - not the cartridge - which was what this thread is above.

Now we've been throwing around .30-30 as though it's synonymous with Winchester M94 - which muddles things up a bit.
But if we are just talking about the .30-30 - it comes a few rifles that aren't that great in the bush:
If you've every used a m94 rifle, not the carbine there is a big difference and it's length makes it a pain.
Likewise a .30-30 savage (technically still a .30-30) chambered in a savage lever action - still pretty nice but it's big and heavy similar to a blr.
Or a .30-30 Winchester - in a 340 savage bolt action - who was thinking what when they came up with this?

Back to the original post - I'm not sure the point of the "test" other than it's probably fun to shoot cast iron pans (or anything else cast iron) with a CF cartridge.
If you are checking penetration, you also want to see controlled expansion as well, and to do that you need to use some sort of semi-dense media. Softwood, phone books - whatever.
As an extreme example - a relatively soft slug moving not too fast (maybe a lead muzzle loader bullet) might pancake against something hard like cast iron, but might penetrate a softer substance more reasonably. Cast iron is brittle - so the penetration is a pass/fail, and the use of multiple layers doesn't do much to alleviate this problem.

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Originally Posted by Deer Hunter

I have nothing against the .30-30 it’s the lever action that don’t work for me. When I need a short light handy rifle, I take out my Kimber Hunter in .308. I don’t buy a rifle if it doesn’t have a detachable magazine. Haha. :scream: It’s whatever works for you.

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Henry has some nice m94 clones that have detachable magazines - but the are not chambered in .30-30.
More the calibers that have pointed ammo. This was Henry's response to the marlin/Hornady flex tip long range ammo.
Likely a better solution for guys that want to pull off long range shots with a lever rifle.

The 6.5 creedmore even comes in a 22" barrel.
https://www.cabelas.com/product/HENRY-LONG-RANGE-LEVER-ACTION-RIFLES/2287076.uts

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Originally Posted by Goosesniper

Can someone give me an example of a better bush gun than a 3030. I always bring it along on deer hunts. If I’m sitting in a stand my scoped 308 Is the go to rifle. If we decide to push. It’s the 3030. It has its place. It’s taken down plenty of very large moose over the years. It has its place and certainly not a useless rifle. It’s short. It goes bang. And it’s just an awesome rifle. Sure there are rifles that can shoot further with more accuracy. When moose hunting. Distance has never been an obstacle. All kills have been within 150 yards. It’s a killer. No doubt. And I don’t vomit in my mouth when I pick it up.


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Lol sure

Rem 76/760/7600 carbine in heavy doggin 35 Rem or Whelen or heck an 06 would be ok with heaviest pill available
Lowly smooth bore/rifled short barrel slugger pump or semi in 20 or 12 will do a pile better in the nasty crap
Marlin short barrel 45-70 or 44 mag will do better.
Werner mentioned 44 Ruger semi - I just started loading for this round and I am impressed. It’s no long distance cartridge but in the 77/44 bolt I’m working with is more accurate than any Winny I’ve shot. Factory AE pistol rounds pushing 1850 plus on the chrony with a 240 XTP pill is hard to beat. I expect to get that closer to 2000 fps with some work.

30-30 levers work just fine and they kill deer just fine.

When I was younger I wanted to own one. Well I did that and had a pile since. 30-30 Win then same in a trapper and so on. I set out just a couple years ago to find an accurate load for another I had bought but as soon as I started I realized it was going to be the same as every other I’ve owned. 3 or 4 MOA at 100 just doesn’t work for me in the accuracy department.

Just don’t like them and haven’t seen one I’d really trust past a hundred yards. The Winchester’s feel like a club in my hands and the 30-30 as a cartridge is adequate but less than stellar from my perspective.

As for choosing it as a round for moose at 150 that is a surprise to see you think that is a good choice. Although they do have a 16 inch kill zone so that would help you some maybe. To pick that gun up over the 308 you own for moose doesn’t make much sense to me though.

To each their own and if it works for you great.

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Originally Posted by Fox

The same sort of feeling that I get when I look at or read about the 270 Win I guess.

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No Fox you take that back lol!

I like 270, it is easy to load for and lots of great bullet choices. I can’t think of one that hasn’t given me a 1/2 inch group or two at 100 with a bit of load development.

It’s all personal preference though.