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That's what I'm told,also. If anyone can call and check a PAL validity,I'm more than a little curious how they get around The Privacy Act unless the seller needs to input his/her number as well. Then,it necessarily follows that a record immediately exists of a transaction between two PAL holders. Voila! One registry.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Exactly what i was trying to guess..............anyone here did transaction under this new law?Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
I am not big on sell,so have no experience ........
It's been a while but did sell one a few years (5?) back. I ended up calling to verify the PAL, but before they answered they wanted to know what my PAL number was. I asked why (saying something to her like, there is no more registry, why do you want my PAL) her answer was something like..... just wanted to make sure you have a valid PAL as the seller...........or something like that. She said once I hung up, any info we exchanged would be erased..... I was a little uneasy about it but did give her my PAL number....... Like I said, that was a few years ago, not sure how it would be today....Quote:
Originally Posted by gbk
If I called the CFP and they deviated from telling me if the PAL number I had was valid or invalid I would simply hang up.
Funny story........funny but very true!
I sold a Beretta 92FS Inox to a buyer in Edmonton from CGN. At the time there is a looming Canada Post strike so I used FedEx instead. I brought the pistol, holster, and 6 mags all packaged in a discrete box for them to ship to the customer signature required (after the transfer). Back then I also needed an ATT to bring it from my house to the FedEx depot on N.Service Road in Burlington to ship - in the description I said it was fishing equipment. After 4 days the buyer still did not receive the gun. I called customer service and the person I was talking to said sometimes the packing slips fall off the boxes so give her the description of the contents of the box and they will cross reference it with their paperwork and the boxes they have hanging around and they will try and match it up.........seriously!!
I asked if she was sitting down and I told her there was a 9mm pistol, 6 mag's and a holster in that box. Well she lost her - LOL. She tried to tell me that I was breaking the law and that she was going to call the police and I said please do. You are in possession of a restricted firearm that you have no right having. I have an ATT from the CFO stating I can leave my house and drive to your address to ship this to the rightful owner in Edmonton and you lost it. Please feel free to call the police and explain that to themor you can just find the package and send it to the legal owner in Edmonton. She said let me call you back and 30min later they called me and said they found the package (funny what a little motivation will do).
So they finally shipped it and I thought that was the end of it so I called the buyer and explained the situation. When the package finally arrived in Edmonton the buyer showed up at the depot to sign for it and FedEx was not going to release it to him (they had no clue what to do now that they knew it was a firearm). I told the buyer to put the FedEx guy on the line. I politely said that the firearm is registered to the new owner and that this was a legal sale and he replied that he does not feel comfortable handing over a pistol. I told the guy I completely understand. I asked if he had a restricted license and he replied no......then I said what do you think will happen when I call the police and tell them that you are in possession of 'John Doe's' restricted pistol and you refuse to give it to him? I said I have an ATT from the CFO on my end and John Doe has a ATT from the CFO on his end to take it home, and a clerk at FedEx is refusing to hand over the firearm.
He finally handed the gun over to the buyer and that was the end of it. The next day I received a call from an uninformed manager telling me I broke the law and I interrupted her to say I did no such thing. I may have broken your internal rules but I did no break any laws........if I was breaking a law would the CFO provide me an ATT to bring this gun to your depot in Burlington to ship to a buyer in Edmonton........not a chance. I said thank-you and hung up.
Now that being said I only use FedEx with my company's account - I do not date ship anything under my real name - LOL........it would never make the destination. Not a chance.
Some private carriers don't have a policy when customers ship firearms. I've used our local UPS office to ship firearms when one of the kids was living out west.The local manager was a friend who knew what I was shipping. He suggested an empty golf club set box,cover the rifle in bubble wrap and packing popcorn to prevent movement. I taped the box shut with packing tape and put "sporting goods" on the shipping documents. The PING corporate logo was printed on the box. It was expensive to ship,but, was delivered in 5 days,none the wiser.
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Originally Posted by gbk
If there is any intent to create a registry of sorts using an automated system it would be pretty simple to derail/corrupt the entire database. Not that i would suggest this but a 12 year old kid could create a bot that calls in with computer generated PAL #s pretending to do transactions. Most will come back invalid but some will hit a valid PAL # and get recorded. By the time those dimwits figure out what is going on the entire data set would be corrupted.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
My youngest son who is now 21 did something like this to crash his principals cell phone when he was 14. Created a bot that sent 1000 texts a minute 24/7 to the guys cell phone all from seeming different callers. Would have gotten away with it except like all kids bragged about it to friends and it got out. Needless to say we were both unimpressed and impressed - the police were mostly just unimpressed.
Good information can be found here.
https://www.gunpost.ca/online-safety-tips#protectpal
That's excellent info. On-line sales for anything is fraught with financial danger,let alone for firearms where the potential for dealing with the criminal element is quite high. Face-to-face deals are the best,but,always away from one's residence and always with a witness present at a public location. Remember Tim Bosma?Quote:
Originally Posted by fishhawk