Covid 2nd Wave....fact or fiction

It's fall. Most respiratory viruses will have an easier time infecting people. Droplets suspend in the air longer. Cold, flu and covid infections will increase. All scientific fact.

At the onset of this, there were far more criteria to meet in order to be given a test, so positivity rate would be high due to pre screening. Positivity rate will be much lower now with far more (and less targeted) testing. More cases will be identified with massive testing. Serological testing has shown that infection rate was about 4x reported numbers by June.

My guess, if you want a real picture of the current numbers without the "second wave" hype, divide daily case counts by 3 or 4 to compare to March/April numbers.

The thing that will really make you shake your head is going back and looking at March 17th when the state of emergency was declared and everything was locked down. 9 new cases and 190 cases in Ontario total.

People really need to think for themselves and filter all this stuff through a very fine mesh.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

So the tax man will get his cut. Then what seems to be the problem?

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The outrage that was raised (it was a political debate) that a 'dependant ' child living in a household with an income over $135K should never have been able to able receive the CERB...their situation was not in need of "emergency benefits".

Apparently the lack of scrutiny in the application process has allowed a great deal of these stories...to the tune of an estimated $45 million. It was suggested that yes the CRA will be able to recover a lot next Apr.

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Originally Posted by GW11

My guess, if you want a real picture of the current numbers without the "second wave" hype, divide daily case counts by 3 or 4 to compare to March/April numbers.

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The only reliable numbers are the hospital admissions, the ICU numbers and the death numbers....and even those are apparently being fudged ...ie: some poor sap dying of lung cancer, gets Covid and it's classed as a death due to Covid. Same with LTC patients, a lot were knocking on deaths door and Covid pushed them thru..listed a death due to complications from Covid.

Hard to get the truth from anyone, they all seem to have agendas.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

The only reliable numbers are the hospital admissions, the ICU numbers and the death numbers....and even those are apparently being fudged ...ie: some poor sap dying of lung cancer, gets Covid and it's classed as a death due to Covid. Same with LTC patients, a lot were knocking on deaths door and Covid pushed them thru..listed a death due to complications from Covid.

Hard to get the truth from anyone, they all seem to have agendas.

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I agree on that. Daily case numbers are easy to get caught up in. The truth is twisted so far out of proportion it isn't even funny.

We won't see the ICU and deaths increase for a while yet. When we're up to 2000 cases/day, things will likely ramp up. If they don't, should we still be responding to this virus the same way? Should we have at all? You can bet there's a certain amount of justification to the initial response happening here too.

Sooner or later we'll just have to get used to covid being a regular part of cold/flu season.



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Originally Posted by fishermccann

'Learn to live with the virus like most European countries have'. Well a little research will show you that, Spain, Netherlands, France, Germany, Italy, Denmark, Portugal, Greece, ALL have more stringent lockdown measures in place to prevent covid transmission, than Ontario. Better be careful what you wish for.

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Yet they don't even use masks in the schools in Denmark.

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

Denmark has been bask to school since May, without masks.

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Yep [emoji106] even without complaining the are just happy to be back in class

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Originally Posted by waterrat

I ask this question to anyone I speak about this with. " How many of you know of, in your circle on acquaintances, have either got sick or died" I have only one reply that they knew a guy with an Uncle how had it, but got better quick. If it is as bad as the media claims, there should be bodies all over the streets...

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I have one cousin that got it. One colleague at work got it. Another colleague's wife got it (different person, and he didn't test positive for it), and a friend of my son's girlfriend got it. We also have close friends, who has a friend who's father died from it.

I wouldn't go down the road that this is all made up. There are people getting it.

But I understand your point about the reaction vs. the reality.

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

Just as an aside to this, I read a report indicating we have a 1.45 Trillion dollar debt now....if we were to pay back one million dollars a day, not including interest, that debt would take in excess of 3.9 thousand years...hard to wrap ones head around those kind of numbers. I haven’t checked the math myself...maybe someone better at math can verify those numbers.

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3,972 years ... let's call it 4,000 years IF there was no interest attracted on the debt ... which is incorrect. That level of debt at 1.5% interest attracts $21.7 billion of interest PER YEAR. Therefore, $1 million per day, or $365 million per year, inadequately covers the interest. It would take an infinite amount of time to repay the debt, because you cannot service the debt ... you would have economic collapse, and possibly a war, to cancel the debt ... only way out, IF you can only afford to pay $1 million per day.

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Originally Posted by gbk

COVID testing true story: one of my coworker has 4 friends. They had to do COVID test for whatever reason. They lined up and signed up for the test. The test station close down for whatever reason BEFORE they got tested.
So they all went home.
Few days later they all 4 got the letter-You have tested POSITIVE for COVID!!!

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That's funny .

Just goes to show you how messed up things are .

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Read....'dependant' children.

I'm not a tax expert by any means but seem to remember this sounds right ..

Mom and Day will have to claim the dependant child's income. The CERB will be pushing most 'dependant' kids' past the maximum income allowed.

"The dependant's net income (line 23600 of their return, or the amount it would be if they filed a return) is $12,069 or more. However, if you claimed the Canada caregiver amount for the same dependant, the dependant's net income is $14,299 or more"...

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Note that the rules were changed about 2 to 3 years ago ... for a child or elderly person (home owner's mom or dad) to be a dependent, they need to be INFIRM ... that means most people are no longer eligible to claim the allowance used for a dependent person. Therefore, in most cases where the adult taxpayer does not declare an INFIRM dependent, there is zero recourse by my understanding to the mom or dad of a child.

The child claiming CERB will claim the income as their income, and it will be subject to tax. But given CERB topped out at $14k, not much taxes will be owed. CERB eligibility I'm sure will be audited ... but CRA will only be able to audit a few ... too many on CERB. As long as you are eligible for CERB, you should be okay ... as long as you report the income and pay any taxes due. So a kid that was working a summer job, which they could no longer work because of COVID ... I believe fits the definition of eligibility, and therefore, they should get to keep the CERB payments, and only pay a little bit of tax, even if they are living with mom and dad who both earn much more income.