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Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers

Won't know until both sides argue their claim and a united resolution put forth. Of course both sides will have to agree too compromises. At this point neither side has a reason too stop aggressions.

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Oh I think Mr Putin has some very good reasons to stop his aggressive war. I can think of some 2400 Leopard 2 tanks sitting in stockpile in Europe. Britain has 224 Challenger Tanks in stock and AMERICA has 4,400 Abrams tanks. France has about 406 Leclerc tanks in stock.

So that's about 8000 reasons to think carefully right now without even taking into consideration what could be produced if needed.

Poland currently has 247 LEOPARD TANKS but has also gotten 10 K2 Black Panthers from SOUTH Korean WITH ANOTHER 180 on order.

These Black Panthers are state of the art built from the ground up by the Koreans and on par with the Leopard Tank except for price.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi4k7b9VsTE

If the tanks dont make Putin worried and at the negotiation table fast, when the F16 start arriving they might do the trick.

Do you guys remember when Colin Powell gave a speech at the UN that Iraq had WMD's - they bombed Iraq into oblivion and those poor people are still living in ruins to this day (and it turned out there was no WMDs?) he lied under oath but no one seemed to mind?

We HAVE TO STOP listening to these lying war hawks who have tons of stock in Lockheed Martin / General Dynamics, etc and their political parties get boat loads of money from these companies.....
Why isnt no adult in the room asking for peace talks (Macron, Biden, Schroeder, Trudeau, etc)
Why cant Putin meeting the heads of G7 somewhere in a neutral territory to talk peace?
All I know is poor Ukrainians and Russian soldiers who dont want to be fighting are killing each other right now, and all the media is doing is drooling over bringing leopard tanks to the battlefront and ramping up the pressure for an escalation in conflict.
Im not siding with Russia, but do you guys remember Cuban missile crisis? did the USA like weapons on their door step? So what would be so wrong with keeping Ukraine neautral militarily and still letting the country be a trading partner and prospering with the world? why are we so thirsty to load them with weapons and bring them into NATO?

We have too many broken hospitals, roads, universities, to allow our elected officials to tax us to death while also mis-spending our money and carelessly promoting conflict instead of avoiding it... its truly upsetting.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Oh I think Mr Putin has some very good reasons to stop his aggressive war. I can think of some 2400 Leopard 2 tanks sitting in stockpile in Europe. Britain has 224 Challenger Tanks in stock and AMERICA has 4,400 Abrams tanks. France has about 406 Leclerc tanks in stock.

So that's about 8000 reasons to think carefully right now without even taking into consideration what could be produced if needed.

Poland currently has 247 LEOPARD TANKS but has also gotten 10 K2 Black Panthers from SOUTH Korean WITH ANOTHER 180 on order.

These Black Panthers are state of the art built from the ground up by the Koreans and on par with the Leopard Tank except for price.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi4k7b9VsTE

If the tanks dont make Putin worried and at the negotiation table fast, when the F16 start arriving they might do the trick.

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They said they all burn the same
Over 300 tanks will be heading there or already there. As our government hummed and hod tanks were all ready loaded and heading to Ukraine.

North Korea is furious about the tanks and called it the red thread.

Since the western world is supplying these weapons is it already a world War? How much more can the western world afford. I'm hearing that the usa may default its debt payments.

Again we only prolong the inevitable they warned of upping their game and using bigger weapons of destruction from our actions. That is warning for Ukraine bigger bombs means more destruction and death.

As I mentioned why is Russia building back in reality they shouldn't of even broke ground but they have built back. Is this protected property already? Just citizens and contractors? How many more communities will they be building back on as the war has no end in sight. Or are they just wasting their time building for no reason?

Iran was hit again by Israel what's happening there ? A Chinese Air captain told its crew he predicted a war with the usa by 2025 and to prepare.

Why not love a peace

Zelensky already said who would benefit from his war and it's not you and I or the majority of the Ukrainian people. It's big businesses.

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Is the battle field the only problem?

This is taking place but we are ignoring some bigger issues at hand. Like I have said if the brics nations remove themselves from the US dollar someone else will rise up.
I think there are a few hints out there already of who will rise up, they have secret stations already lol.

https://youtu.be/NlIl2sH6oIs

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Mr Putin is probably very busy right now ramping up production of their main battle tanks as he will need them for the expected RUSSIAN offensive into a sovereign country they invaded. The West already knows this and so does the President of Ukraine.

Hence today we see that the UN Secretary General has asked South Korea to send direct military help, REMEMBER those K2 Black Panther's.

I would imagine North Korea is pretty upset but should be upset with their own regime that has neither the resources or skill to develop their own battle tank from the ground up.

So back to Putin he has a slight problem in that he has run out of tank commanders with experience, most of them having been blown up by missiles. So the offensive will have to wait until he gets some rookie tank commanders trained and they will be going into action against experienced Ukrainians who will have superior tanks in armour and RANGE. Probably backed up by F16 s.

So the inevitable is coming with the defeat of Putin, he will be tried and executed as a war criminal hopefully.

Ukraine will get all her territory back including Crimea and a future Russia will have a Ukraine next door armed to the teeth.

Ukraine might also decide it was a real bad idea to give up her nuclear arsenal and has the know how and scientist to get it back up and running.

Just like some wanted to appease Hitler and give up territory ,that will not be happening a second time in Europe.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Well Hunter 06 when one country invades another Sovereign country and bombs its cities and kills innocent women and children I sure hope we can draw very little of a distinction between that and a CIVIL WAR funded by Putin within that country before the full out invasion.

Both were perpetrated by PUTIN with his full public stated goal of a return of a Great Mother Russia. That is what he sees as his legacy.

So he is not going to achieve this and is going to be defeated with the help from the West and bravery of the Ukrainians.

I have no idea the Taliban are being recruited to send mercenaries but what would be the difference between them and the Wagner group of mercenaries right now fighting for the Russians, or for that matter any of the mercenaries used by the USA in Iraqi or Afghanistan.

On the subject of tanks our best technology is actually German and if a tank might fall into enemy hands it will probably be blown up by its own crew if possible. Any American tanks will probably also be destroyed in the same manner if a capture is imminent.

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I’m not drawing a parallel between there civil war and the invasion. If you want a good parallel, this is Vietnam just switched around.

Not exactly the same but similar, in Vietnam the states was invading the North and China and Russia where suppling guns and other military gear

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Originally Posted by hunter06

I’m not drawing a parallel between there civil war and the invasion. If you want a good parallel, this is Vietnam just switched around.

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The best comparison would be Afghanistan, Russia invaded that country and quickly got bogged down in a quagmire.

They should have known better as Alexander the Great could not win there, The British Empire at their height of power could not win there.

Mr Putin made a very bad calculation, over estimated the strength of his army and personnel. They are up against sophisticated soldiers with very good gear and good training.

Even in the unlikely event the Russians could penetrate deep into Ukraine, their supply lines would be very long having waged a scorched earth policy on their way in.

So the Russians will face a STALINGRAD situation at very bombed out City, Ukrainian snipers every where, probably some of the most inventive IED's the world has every seen, not to mention the over head drones.

The cost to the Russians would be enormous and leave them so weakened that they would be easy picking for those guys to the east China
who would be pretty happy to take over the remaining resources of Russia, oil, gas, grain.

One thing we can’t look past is Russia’s nuclear force. If they feel there existence as a major force is threatened they wouldn’t hesitate to nuke parts of Europe. Again so nobody can take what I say out of context I’m not pro Russian

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Originally Posted by hunter06

One thing we can’t look past is Russia’s nuclear force. If they feel there existence as a major force is threatened they wouldn’t hesitate to nuke parts of Europe. Again so nobody can take what I say out of context I’m not pro Russian

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Once the Russians are having the tables turned by having their own cities attacked the same way they've been attacking Ukrainian soft civilian residential areas with their campaign of terror will the Putin regime come to a screaming halt. He won't be able to lie to his people anymore.