Pit Bulls

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Originally Posted by sawbill

Maybe you can tell us then why so many pit bull owners get attacked by their own dogs. You don't have to believe me as there's more than enough articles and news items about it online.

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Maybe You tell us then why in one sentence You say : There's a few here who seem to believe its always the dog owners fault when a dog attacks another dog or person-then fight my statement :-THAT is never owners fault. Just responsibility.

Meanwhile change the essence of Your first statement from "another dog or person"(to which i posted my opinion) to-dogs attacking "their own owners" (not other dogs or persons anymore).

Also-while there,maybe dwell also on-why You have to" fight "my post, when i was actually "supporting" your original post/statement:scream:

Well, I've read your above post a number of times and still can't make heads or tails of it. The only thing I do understand you saying is that you were actually supporting my original post. Sorry, but I don't see that either. Must be the late hours.

Edit: I've read it again for the umteeth time. Were you being sarcastic? If so, I just missed it and my apologies.

If a dog attacks someone or another dog it is the owners fault for putting or allowing the dog to be in that situation.

Some dog psychology.

Dogs are pack animals. If they don't have a leader they will try to assume that role. Everything is life and death to a dog, they don't understand they are going to be fed each night. They are pack animals and if the leader is not strong enough they will try to assume that role because they feel their life depends on it. Most of the biting and attacking is due to fear, lack of confidence and their uncertainty of their place in the pack.

As far as the inbreeding goes, yes, some dogs are born not right in the head and should be put down but dogs like that are a small minority.

The majority of problems we see in dogs, like the issues in this thread, are dominant type breeds with poor leaders.

Dog aggression cannot be cured it can only be managed. By being a proper leader to the animal it can be managed to the point that you would never know the animal is dog aggressive.

The current trend of fur babies is the absolute worst thing for a dogs mental stability.

Pit bulls and other breeds may be sweet and cuddly or the nicest dog you have ever known but if you do not respect the dog and what they are capable of you are asking for trouble. Once a dogs switch gets tripped and they go primal bad things happen. I doubt many of you have ever seen a dog go primal, I can tell you it is a force of nature and if you ever see it you will not forget it.

At the end of the day the bad behaviour of a dog falls solely on the owner. If you own a pitbull and it chews your face off, that's your fault not the dogs.

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Originally Posted by Jakezilla

At the end of the day the bad behaviour of a dog falls solely on the owner. If you own a pitbull and it chews your face off, that's your fault not the dogs.

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Problem is when the dog chews the face off a small child. The child is scared for life, doesn't matter that the owner is blamed. That is why some statistically proven aggressive breeds are banned. Prevent to possibility of it happening in the first place.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Problem is when the dog chews the face off a small child. The child is scared for life, doesn't matter that the owner is blamed. That is why some statistically proven aggressive breeds are banned. Prevent to possibility of it happening in the first place.

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I am not really interested in discussing the pros/cons of the bans I am just trying to explain how these things happen.

A small child's scream can trigger a dog. When a dog that has been bred with the kill instinct hears another living thing in distress they can be triggered and if they are, they will try to dispatch that creature.

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Originally Posted by Jakezilla

I am not really interested in discussing the pros/cons of the bans I am just trying to explain how these things happen.

A small child's scream can trigger a dog. When a dog that has been bred with the kill instinct hears another living thing in distress they can be triggered and if they are, they will try to dispatch that creature.

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I understand, but it doesn't matter what triggers it...it's in the DNA of some breeds. And although it's the responsibility of the owner to train it out of them, the breed is still a potential safety risk.

So to prevent a child from being attacked they have banned breeds that are inherently, statistically, proven to be aggressive and taken a preemptive action to remove onus in the Owner to train it out of them to keep society safe.

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Originally Posted by Jakezilla

If a dog attacks someone or another dog it is the owners fault for putting or allowing the dog to be in that situation.

Some dog psychology.

Dogs are pack animals. If they don't have a leader they will try to assume that role. Everything is life and death to a dog, they don't understand they are going to be fed each night. They are pack animals and if the leader is not strong enough they will try to assume that role because they feel their life depends on it. Most of the biting and attacking is due to fear, lack of confidence and their uncertainty of their place in the pack.

As far as the inbreeding goes, yes, some dogs are born not right in the head and should be put down but dogs like that are a small minority.

The majority of problems we see in dogs, like the issues in this thread, are dominant type breeds with poor leaders.

Dog aggression cannot be cured it can only be managed. By being a proper leader to the animal it can be managed to the point that you would never know the animal is dog aggressive.

The current trend of fur babies is the absolute worst thing for a dogs mental stability.

Pit bulls and other breeds may be sweet and cuddly or the nicest dog you have ever known but if you do not respect the dog and what they are capable of you are asking for trouble. Once a dogs switch gets tripped and they go primal bad things happen. I doubt many of you have ever seen a dog go primal, I can tell you it is a force of nature and if you ever see it you will not forget it.

At the end of the day the bad behaviour of a dog falls solely on the owner. If you own a pitbull and it chews your face off, that's your fault not the dogs.

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Bingo.
It’s always the owners fault. Dogs are either poorly trained, not socialized etc. With other dogs/breeds some owners want the “status” of mean aggressive dogs.

FFS Doberman’s were all the rage and had a bad rep. As were Rottis, until the next fad....

And some owners, get breeds they should never leave alone with children, or the elderly, or take to leash free parks.

Greyhounds are couch potatoes. But are famous for 1 mile burst of insane speed and prey drive. Is it the grey hounds fault the owner leaves the front door open? The Grey Hound I had also had severe fear aggression. (Comes with being penned, abused etc). It was always muzzled....except when it was just he and I.

If someone decides having a tiger is cool. And it kills a kid. Tigers fault, or owners fault for creating the situation?

I have no problems with Pitbulls. But if I were to get one. I would never take the risk....it would be muzzled outside my house, and inside anytime I had company, etc.
No matter how well I had trained it. Which begs the question. Why would I want one.

some years ago, I had a domesticated wolf in my house for a short time. Had anything happened. Wolfs fault, or mine? I can tell you, establishing “dominance”with him was fun.......sweet boy that he was. I think I posted a picture of him in this forum.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

I understand, but it doesn't matter what triggers it...it's in the DNA of some breeds. And although it's the responsibility of the owner to train it out of them, the breed is still a potential safety risk.

So to prevent a child from being attacked they have banned breeds that are inherently, statistically, proven to be aggressive and taken a preemptive action to remove onus in the Owner to train it out of them to keep society safe.

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It's not the responsibility of the owner to train it out of them. You can't train instinct out of a dog without damaging the mental stability of the dog. It's the owners responsibility to understand what the dog was bred for an act accordingly.

Be careful when you talk about bans or banning something, the argument you make could easily be used against something you enjoy.

The world today is full on unnecessary rules and laws pushed through in the interest of "public safety". The world would be a better place if we focused more on personal responsibility rather than always blaming someone else.

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Originally Posted by Jakezilla

The world today is full on unnecessary rules and laws pushed through in the interest of "public safety". The world would be a better place if we focused more on personal responsibility rather than always blaming someone else.

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The problem with taking "personal responsibility" is an 'after action'...in the need of public safety, it's best to be proactive and remove a potential menace 'before' it damage is done. I'm sorry doesn't fix the devastation to a child.

Banning dogs breeds that have inbred (DNA) aggression to prevent the possibility of a child being mauled may offend you, but for the greater need public safety at large, the smart decision has been made around the country here and in the US based on the documented history of that particular breed.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

The problem with taking "personal responsibility" is an 'after action'...in the need of public safety, it's best to be proactive and remove a potential menace 'before' it damage is done. I'm sorry doesn't fix the devastation to a child.

Banning dogs breeds that have inbred (DNA) aggression to prevent the possibility of a child being mauled may offend you, but for the greater need public safety at large, the smart decision has been made around the country here and in the US based on the documented history of that particular breed.

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Kind of like banning guns? Be careful where you head with this.