Guilty

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Originally Posted by Birdbuff

Rick, there were many other choices these officers could have made to get him in the car or to the police station. Obviously with all these other tools at their disposal they chose that the best way was the knee on the neck. The officers were in control of the scene and had options. They chose the profession and had training. If they can’t do the job......

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Please... enlighten us ! What other options were there...?

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

Please... enlighten us ! What other options were there...?

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roll him over to breathe? dont step on someone's neck for 10 minutes WHILE handcuffed and continue to do so after hes passed out cold with no pulse?

youre telling me they couldnt leave him on the ground in a recovery position handcuffed without being on his neck?

is that not a "option"?

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Originally Posted by Bowjob

roll him over to breathe? dont step on someone's neck for 10 minutes WHILE handcuffed and continue to do so after hes passed out cold with no pulse?

youre telling me they couldnt leave him on the ground in a recovery position handcuffed without being on his neck?

is that not a "option"?

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The “options” discussed were to get him into the car.
Leaving a prisoner at a scene, and not removing them from the area is not an option. They were unable to get him into the car as he violently resisted.
Unless you have been in that position, you have no idea of the dynamics...

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

The “options” discussed were to get him into the car.

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in the body cam footage from the trial they showed the officers getting the hog tie and ended up not using it.
the officer on the neck was heard saying no hes staying right here.

i would think hog tie would be a option as well, for the size of George Floyd they had an officer with them that was the same size as him as well plus 3 other officers

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Originally Posted by Bowjob

in the body cam footage from the trial they showed the officers getting the hog tie and ended up not using it.
the officer on the neck was heard saying no hes staying right here.

i would think hog tie would be a option as well, for the size of George Floyd they had an officer with them that was the same size as him as well plus 3 other officers

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Have you ever tried to apply a hobble to a big guy kicking at you ??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km4uCOAzrbM

this is why this conviction is such a big thing.

cops have been protected from being sued for a long time. its about time its stopped.

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Originally Posted by Bowjob

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km4uCOAzrbM

this is why this conviction is such a big thing.

cops have been protected from being sued for a long time. its about time its stopped.

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Cops have been sued plenty of times in the past...

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

Cops have been sued plenty of times in the past...

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rarely being held accountable,

(sorry i didn't specify that part lol )

in America anyways, every cop is protected by something called qualified immunity.

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

Please... enlighten us ! What other options were there...?

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1. Call for more back up
2. While he is unconscious move him
3. Taser if required

I don’t get the narrowmindedness.

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

With a large, resistive guy kicking at you, while you try stuffing him into a small back seat......dream on Gilly ! When have you ever seen an ambulance used to transport a combative prisoner to lockup.....?Give me a break !

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The space in the back of almost every scout car with a screen is limited and has been for years. If the prisoner is a fighter and you get him in the back, chances are he/she is going to kick your side windows out. Your either OK replacing windows or your escort is in the back preventing that action. If that is not possible its wagon time.

The first clue on the Floyd video they might have trouble was he clearly said "don't put me in the back officer I, am clast phobic, should have been a clue for the officers and there are guy's that are clast phobic. In Toronto I have seen ambulance's in the old day's transport prisoners many, many times. It was a favorite ploy of the old time con's to feign illness at the station get a ride with an ambulance and a rookie officer and try an escape. Not kidding.