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Originally Posted by gbk

However-making oneself feel guilty for something one had no control over is the goal of this modern hype-destroy the past, destroy people's self confidence ,make them feel guilty.
The more they feel guilty -the better !
Then they will feel obligated to listen and bow to every Tom ,Dick and Harry.

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Any guilt is not because i think i could have likely changed anything. It is being ignorant of what was occurring under our noses and not saying something at the time whether it could have been changed or not.

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Originally Posted by gbk

Howerer - being in power is not a Stock Exchange affair-we all can have a share in it , and perhaps dictate outcome.
Only at election times....

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Not actually true. Protest and civil disobedience by enough people for just causes has changed policy many times other than at elections. All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing - exactly what happened with the schools for many years.

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Originally Posted by gbk

What happens if one voted for the Opposing party in those days,voted for the ones they lost the election.Like 20-30 years ago?
That person still needs to feel guilty for the acts of the Government he/she did NOT vote for?

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Who one voted for is irrelevant. As a citizen of Canada it our duty to hold our government to account whether they are your party or not. Existing in ignorance and/or not trying to change actions that are wrong and in this case possibly criminal is an abdication of that duty. Whether or not you can actually change the actions of those in power is secondary as failing to try is failing in your duty. That is where the guilt lies - we should have said/did something whether it could have changed things or not.

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Originally Posted by gbk

I believe in building this country.
Taking down the past ,abolishing all the normal things in life will lead us to a place we shall never be.

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As do I. The way to do that is to learn from history and to speak out when things are wrong. The entire residential school program was wrong and is not something we can fully blame on our ancestors. Comparing to other wrongs in history and stating well look what they did is a "strawman" and is akin to what kids do when they get caught. Like the 8 year old that says "but look what Bobby did." Compounding wrongs never works - the old saying "two wrongs don't make a right."

I haven’t heard anyone asking for an apology, what I have heard is people asking for help dismantling the systemic racism within society and the system of government that allowed this to happen in the first place.

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I haven’t heard anyone asking for an apology, what I have heard is people asking for help dismantling the systemic racism within society and the system of government that allowed this to happen in the first place.

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Pretty sure a bunch of people were trying to the Pope to issue an apology. That aside you are correct - remedying the problems would do far more than any apology. Tall order.

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Originally Posted by Species8472

Any guilt is not because i think i could have likely changed anything. It is being ignorant of what was occurring under our noses and not saying something at the time whether it could have been changed or not.

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People are just as ignorant today.
A year later our Military's scathing report on LTC deaths. In fact many dying from lack of care, neglect.

Nobody's crying foul now, just as nobody cried foul then.

History repeats itself, circumstances different, for sure, same end result.

I won't feel guilty of the past or the present for something I'm not involved in or responsible for. That guilt is not mine to carry imo.

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Originally Posted by Species8472

Pretty sure a bunch of people were trying to the Pope to issue an apology. That aside you are correct - remedying the problems would do far more than any apology. Tall order.

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Good luck remedying the problem, when you have two solitudes moving in diametrically
in opposite directions. There was the settlements and agriculture and eventually industrial development of the one solitude. Versus non settlement, and wondering hunter-gathers of the other solitude with their desire to preserve the natural habitat that fed their traditional food supply. The former group reached out to assimilate the latter group into their way of thinking. To do this they attempted isolating and educating their youth, over running and destroying the natural habitat of their food supply, followed by killing off that natural and traditional food resource. Thus leaving the latter group to treaty the rights on their lands. In exchange they were herded on to reservation, promised that they would be looked after and be compensated. What I found most interesting, is it became a criminal offense for the latter group to seek legal representation in drawing up treaty arrangement which appears to account for the large amount unceded lands in British Columbia.

You don’t stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut.. .

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Originally Posted by Gun Nut

You mean the same Prime Minister who just recently completed a trip aboard ]

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No Gun Nut... that's the idiot Son. His dad Pierre (PET), back in the 60's, took a stand against the way we gave special treatment to the Indigenous.

The Village Idiot took after his mother and is a raging narcissist, only cares about himself.

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Originally Posted by Species8472

Any guilt is not because i think i could have likely changed anything. It is being ignorant of what was occurring under our noses and not saying something at the time whether it could have been changed or not.



Not actually true. Protest and civil disobedience by enough people for just causes has changed policy many times other than at elections. All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing - exactly what happened with the schools for many years.



Who one voted for is irrelevant. As a citizen of Canada it our duty to hold our government to account whether they are your party or not. Existing in ignorance and/or not trying to change actions that are wrong and in this case possibly criminal is an abdication of that duty. Whether or not you can actually change the actions of those in power is secondary as failing to try is failing in your duty. That is where the guilt lies - we should have said/did something whether it could have changed things or not.



As do I. The way to do that is to learn from history and to speak out when things are wrong. The entire residential school program was wrong and is not something we can fully blame on our ancestors. Comparing to other wrongs in history and stating well look what they did is a "strawman" and is akin to what kids do when they get caught. Like the 8 year old that says "but look what Bobby did." Compounding wrongs never works - the old saying "two wrongs don't make a right."

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Agree 100%.

Pick a topic, that is a popular one here on the forums.
Hydro, or McGuinty/Wynne, or Lockdowns, or JT and phase out oil, or JT and massive debt, or JT and Scandals?
What is a common "complaint". That the GTA sticks it's head in the sand per se?

Far too often, I see comments along the lines of "what will griping on social media accomplish".
Answer: Lots

All one needs to do is recall how fast politicians reacted when the public at large howled on social media about politicians that flew south for Christmas. Makes me chuckle in a sad way. The silent majority can and will "stick their heads in the sand" despite obvious "wrongs", but get their knickers in knots over fluff.

Our treatment of Indigenous people while not "brutal" to the extent of the US treatment of same, was and is "shameful" for a so called civilized, wealthy, Country. Sure, the residential school system started over a century ago. It continued in my lifetime. As have issues around clean drinking water, missing women, women being sold into the sex trade, and more.

/crickets (maybe that why they are called the silent majority???????)

I've read comments about racism, etc.
Yep, maybe that's why the silent majority......does what it does best.
Two white boys murder a few well to do tourist. We mobilized multiple law enforcement agencies, the military, used all kinds of resources tracking them across the north...

FNs?
/crickets

Are we responsible for what happened 100 years ago? Nope
Are we responsible for what's occurring today? Yep
We blame politicians all the time (pick any topic) , when really, it's the electorate at fault.

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No Gun Nut... that's the idiot Son. His dad Pierre (PET), back in the 60's, took a stand against the way we gave special treatment to the Indigenous.

The Village Idiot took after his mother and is a raging narcissist, only cares about himself.

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I’m well aware of the father’s misperceptions, when he repatriated our constitution, he was all
for giving the Indigenous people, nothing. That is until a supreme court justice took him
aside and explained what a mistake that would be. It’s one of those occasions where it might have been interesting to be fly on the wall to hear what the justice had to say to his father, to curve his attitude problem. Whatever, perhaps Pierre may have mentioned something about it to Justin. May it was something like, you do realize our nation’s capital and the seat of our Parliament are resting on unceded land. Or maybe the justice had another trump card to play. ..

You don’t stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut.. .

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Originally Posted by JBen

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Far too often, I see comments along the lines of "what will griping on social media accomplish".
Answer: Lots

All one needs to do is recall how fast politicians reacted when the public at large howled on social media about politicians that flew south for Christmas.

Are we responsible for what's occurring today? Yep
We blame politicians all the time (pick any topic) , when really, it's the electorate at fault.

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JBen- i believe in what You say-only if the topic brought up fits the narrative of the day(flavour of the day -flavour of the month etc)

The politicians flying out for Christmas and "being ashamed"has nothing to do with accomplishing what the public wanted on political field.They were caught ,they were thrown in the the media big time,and they saw trouble.

Not challenging You-but please bring up a "not so popular"topic,where the Public actually made significant changes (even as a group).
Not an example as -divert the Highway different ways ,or one brought up and pushed thru by special interest groups...but one with substantial weight.Not one which goes with the flavor of the month......a hard one.


As far as blaming electorate(us)for their deeds-i am so sorry,that is exactly what they want us to belive.That is how Politicians get away with responsibility.
Collective guilt ?

I definitely do not feel guilty for any of their deeds i am not personally involved in .

Doug Ford wanted to cut funding for French language. The public made a lot of noise. He backed off, cut squat.

Harper had no plans to spend money. The NDP/Liberals who between them didn’t have enough seats to fill a small plane. The public made noise, he spent….

Last fall, Ford tried a “balanced” approach. Health officials, the public made noise. He locked down hard.

While an election is coming. The public has been howling about LTCs. Despite being “broke”, despite adding massive amounts of new debt, despite no fix for Hydro, despite people he claims to champion losing jobs/income left right and Center. Millions to be spent in LTCs.

If anyone thinks policiticians don’t listen when the silent majority makes noise. Don’t switch gears, don’t want to be re-elected….I don’t know what to say…

JT campaigned on election reform. “Last time with first past”….the public wants proportional (if anything). He wanted ranked. The public made it clear that’s not what they wanted……he backed off

yes they got caught flying south. The electorate lost its minds…and heads rolled right fast…

when we care, they care…