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I"m sure their last concern is about the environment. If you've ever spent any time whatsoever on or near a northern native community you'd be hard pressed to find a dirtier, garbage strewn landscape in north American. Slums of Detroit might be a close match. Some reserves are run well, most are not.
They lost all credibility in regards to Indigenous concerns with the environment when all court actions are settled once they are given enough money. It always boils down to giving them money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gun Nut
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First Nations have good economic reasons to support pipelines because their right to be consulted has enabled them to negotiate lucrative mutual-benefit agreements (MBAs) with the proponents. Although many details remain confidential for business reasons, such an agreement typically offers a First Nation several million dollars up front, plus tens of millions over the life of the pipeline. First Nation supporters of Coastal GasLink will also receive cash payments from British Columbia’s resourcerevenue sharing policy. Beyond these cash payments, MBAs also include valuable guarantees of employment, job training, and contract set-asides, which in the long run may be worth more than the cash
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The annual financial statements filed by the Peters Band (INAC, 2017) show reception in 2014/15 of $606,000 from Kinder Morgan for “capacity building,” that is, hiring consultants to analyze the company’s proposal. Another payment of $2,586,420 came from Kinder Morgan next year. This was a pre-payment on the MBA, said to be required to obtain the band’s approval. The same year, the band government distributed $1,932,400 to First Nation members. The payout was said to be $30,000 apiece to the more than 60 members. The 2016/17 financial statements also record “other revenue” of $1,079,270
Of course the elected chiefs could be bought, they have been essentially assimilated, it appeared to be the traditional chiefs that offered greatest resistance and drew other first nations into the ordeal. I'm curious did they ever treaty for the unceded land in questions? Until they do the indigenous still exert a degree of environment control over matters. From what I understand they have no interest in treating and turning land rights over to the crown. Has there been any progress a long the lines of treaty making? Perhaps the price tag for that has become far too high. What exactly was hatched out between the government and the traditional chiefs? Indigenous concern for the environment is reliant on their retentions of the land rights. Have they given those up?Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut
In the one example I posted..the entire reservations of 60 people were given $30K each for their signature to allow the pipeline to cross their sacred land.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gun Nut
Environmental issues are put aside for money in their pockets.Quote:
Until they do the indigenous still exert a degree of environment control over matters.
Ceded and unceded land issues are not pertinent to the discussion, it's understood and why permissions are required and companies pay the toll.
Now you know why a wise king set up the wording of the Royal Proclamation in the matter he did? He realized that some of the indigenous race could be easily slickered and their land rights stolen, for song. Until the a treat is established the indigenous still hold the rights on land and after they blow their $30,000 each I suspect they will be back for more. I wonder how much of pay out will be eventually be arrived at for the city of Ottawa. So face it, those who continually complain about the money paid out to the indigenous people, that's life. As I like to view it, they are the landlords and we are the tenants, so enjoy the ride on the rent. The only trouble with unceded land, there isn't any rent control measures, so I can well imagine in time there will be an escalation in cost for the oil barons, which will indirectly impact on to us at the gas pumps. Oh, well.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut
If they're the landlords...why do they keep asking us to fix their water problems. ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gun Nut
I saw a clause in a Treaty contract that stipulated "unless conquered" I guess there are options :)
The natives are the proxy warriors of the oligarchs, plain and simple. The foot soldiers of revolutionary fervour in this country.
The liberal elites pretend to care about them, but just use them as pawns for political gain. Even in the rare case that a grievance is organic in origin, it gets co-opted immediately. This is nothing new.
Various Jewish groups and financiers in the U.S. used blacks as their proxy warriors during the civil rights era, where massive ethnic cleansing occurred in various Catholic urban neighbourhoods (Polish, Irish, Italian, German). They became hollowed-out, democrat run welfare states and have remained so to this day.
About a year and a half before Martin Luther King was shot, the whole movement started to get quite violent. This saw the rise of the Black Panthers (created by radical leftist David Horrowitz, who is now a neo-con) and ultimately led to a break down of the black-Jewish alliance.
It has been resurrected today with domestic terrorist groups like BLM (funded by George Soros to the tune of about 33 million...) and groups like the ADL & NAACP.
It's easy to forget, but all of what appears to be interracial conflict in America is intra-racial battles occurring mostly between people of English descent. In fact, a pretty straight line can be drawn from the purity movements of the 16th and 17th century to modern forms of zealotry found in woke politics.
The elite in America used everything from the Second World War to the Great Migration in order to increase their own power and marginalize any threats while the upstarts were still incipient.
And the main threat?
The "ethnics" (I'm sure the WASPs, Quakers, and eventually Jewish element of the ruling contingent would have less flattering names for these people), those people from the Old Countries, whose parochial loyalties and more literalist religious beliefs weren't really compatible with central planning from on high (particularly from the Ivies and from Washington, D.C., from which Americans still tend to receive their collective marching orders).
I wonder what they do with all the smoke and weed money they make
It is nice to see the acts of genocide spelt out, Badenoch. What puzzle me is they’ve tackled Cornwallis down in the maritime for encouraging scalp hunting , they gone after Sir John A, and Ryerson, for culture genocide in relation to the residential school. How did they ever miss, Lord Amherst?Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
" In 1851, Francis Parkman was the first historian to document Lord Amherst's “shameful plan” to exterminate Indians by giving them smallpox-infected blankets taken from the corpses of British soldiers at Fort Pitt in 1763 (Parkman 1991:646–651)."
Genocide by germ warfare, we’ve be talking a lot about infectious germs these day. As I recall from my reading there was island down I believe in the Caribbean where a trick like this was employed. It wiped out the entire indigenous population, and the island was eventually repopulated by using Africans.
You don’t stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut. .
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Originally Posted by mikepal
edit: I’m not criticizing them with the above and I don’t think Mike is either. If I could live up north, hunt, fish, boat, ATV, snowmobile or do whatever else I wanted to on someone else’s dime I likely would.
makes ya feel dumb doesn’t it ?