Love to see the scientific data to support your claim of "would probably be" ....:)Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
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Love to see the scientific data to support your claim of "would probably be" ....:)Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
Well...since we were discussing the failure of the vaccine to prevent double vaxxers from getting infected with the virus, of course, we use the number of Hospitalizations. It's the most accurate gauge of what is going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
Positive cases are considered flawed (multiple false positives) and ICU has more to do with comorbidity issues....ie people are admitted to the ICU for other issue and then test positive for the virus.
So using the Public Health Numbers, as I did, for 'Hospitalizations' is the best tool to reflect what is happening in the general population that are being adversely affected by the virus.
So using grade 5 math : )
The total hospitalized is 172; (95 unvaxxed...77 full and partial vaxxed)
95 represents 55%
77 represents 45%
That's is close to 50% ..now was that so hard to understand.
What happens in the ICU is irrelevant to this discussion.
Now that wasn't so hard,
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See Italy 2020.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
But I love how you guys think all the numbers are low in hospital ... but can't admit it's because of the vaccine.
LET'S SEE IF YOU WILL READ THIS, BECAUSE I ONLY POSTED IT LIKE 20 TIMES.Quote:
Originally Posted by impact
IN ICU:
55 unvaxxed / 1.3 million = 42.3 per million
18 vaxxed / 10.8 million = 1.7 per million
42.3 vs. 1.7 ... yeah, the numbers don't lie, the vaccine works!
Yeah Mike .... you guys said by now, due to the colder weather the vaccine would stop working,Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
but here we are ... guess you were wrong about that.
No one got lied to ... there's still a 30x reduction in ICU admissions for vaccinated people ... the vaccine works!
Mike ... let's do grade 3 math, because your version of grade 5 math still is missing the major point. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Let's say there are 10 unvaccinated people, and 1000 vaccinated people.
Let's say 5 unvaccinated people are in hospital, and 5 vaccinated people are in hospital.
You're saying oh look, vaccine doesn't work because there are JUST AS MANY vaccinated in hospital as unvaccinated.
This is where you're statistics are flawed ... you see in this example 50% of the unvaccinated people get sick and are in hospital,
while only 0.5% of the vaccinated people are in hospital.
YOU HAVE TO COMPARE THE hospitalization per million. It's the only way to have a fair, statistical comparison ...
If you can't understand that ... then you know what, let's stop arguing ... because you won't ever get it.
Yes they could be in the ICU for a number of reasons and catch the virus . Would be no different then what they have already been doing. Using every tool available to push the shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Imagine that the ICU numbers would be the only proper numbers? How can you believe these numbers when we know for a fact they have mislead every other number.
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Your crunching of ICU numbers doesn't mean diddle squat, the real issue is the vaccine no longer prevents 45 % of fully/partial vaccinated people from showing up at a hospital in Ontario. They get infected, become contagious no different than 50% of the unvaccinated.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
How sick you get is another issue not yet arrived here, but the same thing is happening in other countries where ICU beds are filling up with fully vaccinated people
Now we're heading into mandatory 'Boosters' by the new year... not hard to foresee, it's going on in other countries already..you can't get your 'Verified' Green Passes anymore unless you have a 3rd shot Booster....thats' because the vaccine in an abject failure in preventing you from getting infected. And since the whole point of all these lockdowns, restrictions and social engineering was it was to stop the spreading of the virus in the first place.
Simply put...and statistically proven, the vaccine has failed to prevent the spreading of the virus after 4-6 months....not too hard to prove.
The vaccine is a failure in preventing people from getting and spreading the virus..
Yesterday's numbers in Toronto: ..
Of the 711 new cases on Thursday, 322 are in people who are unvaccinated and 314 are in people fully immunized.
Maybe you should look back to pre covid numbers in hospitals which generally are at fairly high levels as a norm. You know all those other diseases and trauma and scheduled surgeries that keep hospitals busy. I've seen some real scary numbers about the amount of serious results and many deaths due to postponed treatments and surgeries due to what turned out to be baseless speculation and fear of filling up hospitals. Maybe you you could find those stats. Then of course there is the major increase in suicides, heavy drug use and overdoses, and violent crime that is associated with the drug trade. These are all known stats that are happening everywhere from small towns to big cities. Worst part of it all is, none of this is because of the virus itself, it's all a response to what governments have turned society into for the last two yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
I do have a question for you Mark. Perhaps I missed it somewhere but I never see you acknowledge all the adverse reactions from these jabs around the world to the point where it's being claimed that these vaccines are now causing more deaths than they prevent from covid itself. How do you respond to those legit numbers from governments sites even, like the VAERS site which now has over 3/4 million reports in what is normally considered to be well under reported as a rule. Before this, a vaccine with these numbers never would have lasted long.
I also wonder how you can explain how the two most unrestricted states in the US with no vaccine mandates and mask mandates also have the lowest numbers in the whole country. The same thing applies to countries like Sweden who never shut down their country at all, never had any or very minor sorts of restrictions on freedoms and are doing just fine. Meanwhile countries like Israel and Ireland with some of the highest vaccination rates in the world also now have the highest rates of active cases and hospitalizations.
You also seem to totally ignore how money is actually the root of all this around the world, where big pharma is bringing in billions per month while conveniently providing false claims about the efficacy of a barely tested experimental procedure that turns out isn't very good at all is now on it's third jab and being forced on children now who don't need it. Now this booster hasn't even been changed to address this oh so scary delta variant for some odd reason and they've even cut the dosage in half, no doubt to try and mitigate the side effects and calm the waters.
One last question for you. Now that big pharma has turned the narrative again all around the world it seems, to now proclaim that booster shots are necessary to be considered fully vaxxed, so for employment, travel and all the normal things we used to do without having to provide ID and QR codes and private medical info under the guise of spreading the virus. It's an admitted fact that these vaccine's efficacy have so far proved to be poor after 6 months, yet now they want you to get another shot of the same thing but in a smaller dose that may not even last as long as the bigger dose. So I'm just curious as to how many shots of an experimental invasion of your body you are going to keep lining up for before you finally wake up and start to at least question what's really going on. Will it be #4 in midsummer when the first booster fails again or #5 six months later as Pfizer laughs all the way to the bank?
Lastly, again maybe I missed a post where you mentioned it before, but does your obvious support for these measures also apply to the millions of people who have developed a far superior natural immunity to covid that also naturally works on variants, this from often just getting over mild symptoms. Or does that not matter to you, everyone must get jabbed, and again too if they say so. Just wondering
Cheers
Your not very good at this, are you.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
Recycling the same meaningless stats.
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