A Very Big Mistake

"Nobody ever won a war by dieing for their country. Wars are won by making the other poor bas**rd die for HIS country."-----Gen. George S. Patton

I have to agree with all that John. Its just all the spin we get that some folks want to have us believe.

Oh we invaded Iraq to save the poor people from a dictator and tyrant.

Saddam Hussein the Americans had for years as a ally fighting a proxy war against Iran for them. He served his purpose but when he dropped
nerve gas from American supplied helicopters on his own people it was time to invade. How come the Yanks did not know he had these weapons of mass destruction? Frankenstein #1.

Osama Bin Laden another American ally in the war in Afghanistan, he turned on them as he believed they were a threat to the Muslim world
and the Middle East. Frankenstein #3.

Manuel Antonio Noriega, Dictator in Panama, another American ally, until he got to big for his britches and exported to much cocaine.
Frankenstein #3,

So the Yanks are great at creating monsters but then cannot control their own creations.

But your right, follow the money, Oil Baby, Rare earth minerals, Drugs, Export of the American military complex weapons sales.........

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

newbiehunter;118262 I did. And the only conclusion that I came to is
the reason we are all sitting on it cozy couches in warm house with full bellies chatting about what is right and wrong IS because all those "not so righteous" decisions were made back in day for us.

Reply. If you really did read about American foreign policy over the past 50 years you would appreciate that they have a lot of innocent blood on their hands. They have supported Dictators all over South America and caused much harm.


Would love too see your righteousness about bombing, if it was you or one of your kids to be scheduled as first assault wave to invade Japan islands at WWII
or if middle east was to cut off oil supply to west for GOOD nowdays.

Reply. We are talking about the bombing of Japan with two atomic bombs on top of 800,000 civilians. It is estimated the yanks killed 207,000 civilians in the unjustified war in Iraqi . At least you ADMIT the recent wars were OVER OIL and that was the motivation for America to get involved in the Middle East wars and hire herself out as a mercenary army to the likes of Saudi Arabia yet another dictatorship. You know the country where they murder American citizens in their embassy and chop up the body.


Or some lunatic develops a nuke and actually launches to this soil..

Reply. Once again we see America having no problems courting disaster, Donald Trump being the best friend to Mr Putin and Kim Jong-un.

I guess one Dictator should not criticize another when they have actually used the bomb.

The history is made of ugly decisions and its very easy to be an "armchair general" and blaming those decisions while reaping of the benefits of them (that includes both US and Canada)

Reply. The only armchair general is you sitting there pontificating about Americas justification for killing civilians worldwide because its in her interest, a nation that has lost its way and no longer trusted by allies.

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My bad. Clearly you know best on what should have been done WWII !
Allies should have sang kumbaya to Axis, it would have been done sooner. [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]

All I have to say these little ramblings is pretty much an equivalent of those folks taking over the podium on Rememberance Day with anti-vaccine protest.

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Originally Posted by newbiehunter

My bad. Clearly you know best on what should have been done WWII !
Allies should have sang kumbaya to Axis, it would have been done sooner. [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]

All I have to say these little ramblings is pretty much an equivalent of those folks taking over the podium on Rememberance Day with anti-vaccine protest.

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I simply stated what happened, not what should have been done.

I do know what my father, uncles did and they did not sing kumbaya to Axis.

But I think, a thinking person can criticize the dropping of two atomic bombs on innocent civilians in Japan was not great.

Bearing in mind the context of the original post, Joe letting us know how BIG AND TOUGH the Yanks were and how they only got a bloody nose out of the fight with Japan.

I merely pointed out that Japan a country 7% smaller than California, gave a very good account of themselves. So much so that the Yanks decided they could no longer afford to try and beat them with conventional weapons and dropped the big one's.

But given the casualty rates suffered by US soldiers, airmen and sailors, not to mention the loss of ships and planes, way more than a bloody nose.

That fact that there was more tonnage of bombs dropped on North Vietnam, than was dropped in all the second world war indicates what the fighting abilities were of the Yanks and they had no hesitation killing civilians to win a war. Well they actually lost Vietnam.

Gilroy - let us clear one thing up - I never said that during the war all the U..S. got from Japan was a bloody nose - it got a bloody nose at Pearl Harbor and that woke up a giant - please read what I write before jumping overboard

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Originally Posted by JoePa

Gilroy - let us clear one thing up - I never said that during the war all the U..S. got from Japan was a bloody nose - it got a bloody nose at Pearl Harbor and that woke up a giant - please read what I write before jumping overboard

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I think by now you have got the picture, not everybody loves America and history shows your country has done some pretty nasty chit thought the world, I used to hold your country in pretty high esteem but not any more. So not only did you get a bloody nose, you got a pretty good hiding, but the schoolyard bully has yet to learn the lessons from history.

Don't bother Joe-for some members here ,facts mean nothing.

Actually- maybe i am wrong.
Facts mean -good opportunity given to some, to stand on the soapbox , and lecture the crowd.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

I think by now you have got the picture, not everybody loves America and history shows your country has done some pretty nasty chit thought the world, I used to hold your country in pretty high esteem but not any more. So not only did you get a bloody nose, you got a pretty good hiding, but the schoolyard bully has yet to learn the lessons from history.

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The lessons from history are that there is always a bully at the top of the hill. Just so happens for a time it was USA and now switching to China. Before them it was the Brits and various other eurotrash wore the hat at different times. It goes all the way back through history Ottomans, Persians, Babylon, Mongols, Egypt, Rome, Alexander the Great etc.. The Yanks are not doing anything that hadn't already been done dozens of times before and the kicker is they all rise and fall and no one learns anything - that's history.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

United States

American corpses sprawled on the beach of Tarawa, November 1943
There were some 426,000 American casualties: 161,000 dead (including 111,914 in battle and 49,000 non-battle), 248,316 wounded, and 16,358 captured (not counting POWs who died).[226][227] Material losses were 188+ warships including 5 battleships, 11 aircraft carriers, 25 cruisers, 84 destroyers and destroyer escorts, and 63 submarines, plus 21,255 aircraft. This gave the USN a 2-1 exchange ratio with the IJN in terms of ships and aircraft.


I would say that was a bit more than a bloody nose.

You certainly kicked the s out of JAPANESE CIVILIANS, MANAGING TO INCINERATE SOME 800,000 SOULS.


In your more recent wars not a lot of positive news.


Since 2010, more than 65,000 veterans have died by suicide – more than the total number of deaths from combat during the Vietnam War and the operations in Iraq and Afghanistan combined.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/11/02/fact-sheet-new-strategy-outlines-five-priorities-for-reducing-military-and-veteran-suicide/


Japan BTW is 7% smaller in land mass than California so I would say they did pretty well up against America. So much so that the Yanks were fearful of taking them on in the mainland, Operation Downfall was cancelled in favor of dropping two atomic bombs on mostly civilians.

If I were you Joe I would not be crowing to much about what your country did.

The sneak attack on America at Pearl Harbor was simply a copy of the Sneak attack by the American navy in its attempt to be a colonial power when they attacked the Spanish Fleet of Manila. They stole the Philippines from the
Spanish and then started a war with the Philippino's who wanted their independence and had actually helped the AMERICANS DEFEAT THE SPANISH INLAND.

So Joe when you invade another area of the World, half way around the globe from your own country, things will come back to bite you in the , something the Yank's have failed to learn over the years.

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1000 brave marines died on tarawa..with another 2000 wounded..God rest their souls. so where are your figures coming from??

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Originally Posted by grumpygeezer

1000 brave marines died on tarawa..with another 2000 wounded..God rest their souls. so where are your figures coming from??

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http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/C/a/Casualties.htm


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_War The tarawa reference in my post was captured in this link under casualties

photograph on right side.