Censorship over-reach ?

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

I actually post quite a bit in fact probably one of the most prolific posters. However if all posts were to drop say to 1 post a month would this be much of a site?

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I think we would get back those people who Fish and Hunt and are so tired of politics, but hey, ya never know.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Just as this forum is not closed of to members of the public so also is a show like Anglers and Hunters. What exactly are OTHER members of the public thinking about the OOD folks when they watch a show on a Saturday morning in the year 2022 where only a single image of a none white person appears for two seconds and the rest of the show is all white. Hence the initial thread and guess what its being discussed again.

I really do not care if it was closed as my intention was to notify the authors of the show they may appear to out of touch with the demographic changes in society. Pretty sure I achieved my goal.

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You may have achieved your goal.....then again,maybe not. You might have had a larger impact had you written to A&H staff personally.

I totally agree with Badenocch. If people start interesting and/or relevant topics and people who comment follow some simple rules and keep on topic, we will have a better site.
rodmcd

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Originally Posted by rodmcd

I totally agree with Badenocch. If people start interesting and/or relevant topics and people who comment follow some simple rules and keep on topic, we will have a better site.
rodmcd

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I think following simple rules is a NO problem since the Crackdown.
Yes-occasionally the odd post comes in "raw"but we were told many times-to man up,so the "raw"posts,as long as follow rules,are part of life.

A whole lot bigger problem is the demise of threads-but that is just facts of simple mathematics.
Which is: more members=more versatility, more interesting threads,more replies,more traffic.

That is where the problem lies.

There are many members encouraging other members to start threads ,get engaged,make the Forum lively yet again.
There are many of them though, very seldom start their own threads ............

Not sure how that works?


Not targeting anyone in particular..........just an observation!

Have they come back yet? I doubt they are coming back and almost all of them were also involved in the politic side as well.

Considering politics are now a big part of the firearms society, by trying to squash it on this forum you are contributing to the demise of firearm ownership.

I am curious as to how many on here complained about my video I posted, that I was given a demerit and then cited again for disagreeing with the mod. It was probably the lowest of the low I have ever seen on here. I have been cited for things in the past and if you check with the site I have taken my lumps when they were fair.

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Originally Posted by TroutSlayer

I think we would get back those people who Fish and Hunt and are so tired of politics, but hey, ya never know.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Considering politics are now a big part of the firearms society, by trying to squash it on this forum you are contributing to the demise of firearm ownership.
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And this is precisely the kind of false equivalency argument that were trying to avoid.

1. There is no censorship happening. Should members post in a respectful way, and present cogent arguments with valid points, they are not moderated.

2. There are lots of firearms discussion occurring where no moderation is needed. If posters stayed in their lane, and could manage to argue without becoming insulting, or attempting to impugn others, all is well in the world.

3. There are lots of venues for firearms discussion and the politics surrounding it. I'm not going to redirect traffic, but we know most of them....what becomes tiresome is having the same people Wade into a thread with the same narrative over and over again. Contributing nothing, and then digressing into mud slinging with other members because they don't share the exact same views, or might actually present a counter argument...and the parties then can't effectively understand that the discussion is no longer productive. ( See off topic section around covid-19....some threads over 30-40 pages of the same bunk, delivering no value other than a sounding board for someone's bruised ego.)

A support of your argument would be is we were heavily moderating the guns for sale posts...

In my opinion, which I believe is the most important on this site, the big problem is people feeling like they should control others opinions and be able to not just debate differences, which is good for the forum but have others stifled and shut down.
This is not at all directed at the mods.
This is just the new wave of the minority thinking they should control what they disagree with by whatever means possible.
If you don't like something that is said, state your piece intelligently and expect a response without name-calling or insults hurled back.
Put OT as well as the Political pages under an apply to mods to gain access. This should keep some persons from feeling hurt or fatally violated.
This is a good site with lots of good info, but much of society has changed I believe in a bad way to have a huge sense of self entitlement that some believe they can force their ideals and beliefs on others to conform.
Whether this is political, social media, video games or just a lack of compassion I'm not sure but it is not an improvement from life 10 years ago.
Just 1 guys opinion here, mine, which I think counts, just not for alot.
John

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

I am curious as to how many on here complained about my video I posted, that I was given a demerit and then cited again for disagreeing with the mod. It was probably the lowest of the low I have ever seen on here. I have been cited for things in the past and if you check with the site I have taken my lumps when they were fair.

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To be correct you were given a warning for posting material deemed inappropriate as a curtesy to inform you why it was removed. The demerit point was issued after several attempts to explain why it was removed and the inability to accept and respect the decision of the Mod team.

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Originally Posted by johnjyb

In my opinion, which I believe is the most important on this site, the big problem is people feeling like they should control others opinions and be able to not just debate differences, which is good for the forum but have others stifled and shut down.
This is not at all directed at the mods.
This is just the new wave of the minority thinking they should control what they disagree with by whatever means possible.
If you don't like something that is said, state your piece intelligently and expect a response without name-calling or insults hurled back.
Put OT as well as the Political pages under an apply to mods to gain access. This should keep some persons from feeling hurt or fatally violated.
This is a good site with lots of good info, but much of society has changed I believe in a bad way to have a huge sense of self entitlement that some believe they can force their ideals and beliefs on others to conform.
Whether this is political, social media, video games or just a lack of compassion I'm not sure but it is not an improvement from life 10 years ago.
Just 1 guys opinion here, mine, which I think counts, just not for alot.
John

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great response as this is exactly what's being asked and strived for. I believe this has been a road block for many "guest" as often wondered why there will be some 2000 plus guest at times when there are 25-40 members present.